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I find it really hard not to get personal about people when they express such hateful opinions as these.
What the fuck is your problem? Are you a closet case?
You have the right to tell the church what it SHOULD do?
So basically your saying you can argue with God as to what his way was meant to be for us, from a Christian point of view.
I suppose we could have lesbians in charge of the mosque aswell?
And as for the link that seems to have been made between paedophilia and homosexuality, drop it unless you have EVIDENCE because quite frankly I find it extremely distasteful.
Watch it kid. Maybe you should back up what you say before you go shooting your mouth off and pretending you know things you don't.
And J, there are gay animals , just look at this link! (Some of it may offend if you're a prude, but it's amusing)
I hope this is not in reference to myself, because unbelievable as it may seem, I never brought this comparison to this thread, this kind of distasteful posting is beyond even my offensive reach..
What kind of statement could get me banned?
What do I need to back up. I'm just making an observation that the government seems to want to clamp down on churches & dictate to them what is & what is not acceptible (basically bending Gods word in whatever way they seem fit), yet they would not challenge Islam in the same way?
Although to swing this statement in another direction, I'd like to say that the church of England, & other various sects of "what people associate" with Christianity are not all of Christian belief.
Not every church is a christian church
hrmmm let's think.
"Homo's : they should just be locked up & cured!"
Or... the fact that you related homosexuality specifically to paedophilia too.
Not that you've shown any knowledge or intelligence to back up those claims.
I only posted the comparison in argument to someone elses post that had already put these to subjects adjacent to one another.
As for the locked up & cured!
Yeah I know how this could offend, but sharks always take the bait
Not everyone believes in God the devil and Jesus! so when you say people are clamping down on Gods word, many people don't believe they are clamping down on anything at all!!
Slimeface...in a couple of threads now you have implied things without actually commiting yourself to an opinion. People are therefore making assumptions about what you are saying,..If you want people to be clearer then you need to be clearer yourself. There's no harm in actually voicing an opinion.... :-)
Your statement about locking up homosexuals I'd have thought. If anything its hate filled bigots like you that should be locked up.
Errrrr....what?
Errrrr....what?
Give up the skunk. :rolleyes:
Are they? They're both sexual preferences that I think it is you that's being ignorant.
If people are born or genetically gay than maybe some people are born with genes that make them fancy children (or even animals in the case of beastiality). Remember Blagsta, peadophillia doesn't mean abusing children - it means being attracted to children. Only when peadophilles carry out or aide child abuse are they commiting a crime.
If you are prepared to argue the rights for homosexuality you must also be able to argue the rights of non active peadophilles. Blagsta do you think that peadophillia (not child abuse) is sick?
As I said before I personally find both Homosexuality and Peadophillia disgusting, but I'm not really that bothered if Mr A and Mr B want to get it on together as long as they're both consenting - whatever makes them happy. I'm not bohtered with pedophilles either - as long as they don't exploit or abuse any kids, or do anything to support child abuse such as looking at kiddy porn. At the end of the day there are no mind police!
I dont think anyone in this thread suggested that beng a peadophile was linked to being homosexual.
I was simply expanding on the argument that people are born gay. So I was suggesting that maybe people are born peadophilles, or lovers of animal sex, or lovers of feet, whips, water sports etc.
Bullshit. One has a chance of consensual healthy relationships, the other doesn't.
And I think it is an unfair comparison and I would prefer it wasn't made.
And Blagsta, enough personal comments! Stick to the topic.
Do you think that peadophillia is sick even if they that peadophille never touches a child? After all they're not having non consensual sex are they?
Do you think that peadophilles are born that way - is it a gentetic thing do you think or are they mentally ill?
Go on - dodge these questions again.
It's relevent though. Here we have an argument about whether you 'choose' you sexual preference or whether it is genetic - whether it be hetro, homo, peado, beasto etc.
Let me mate clear that I don't believe that homosexuals are any more likely to be peadophiolles than hetrosexuals are.
I don't think its healthy, no. As I said, it has no chance of becoming a healthy consensual relationship.
I'd hesitate to use the term "mentally ill", but I reckon that something must have happened in their emotional development for them to favour immature relationships.
No, its totally different, for the reasons I have already stated.
Well why attempt and link the two then?
Discussing this issue is fine, just watch that this discussion does not become homophobic please all of you.
And you're not locking me up!
Edited to add for balance that I wouldn't condone locking up even the most homophobic people simply for their opinions provided they don't breach the law in expressing them (hate crime, etc).
I agree that a relationship between twe consenting adults is going to bve healthier but that is not my point. My point is whether sexual preference is inborn (genetic) or if it's learnt and to some extent chosen.
You obviously find the idea of peadophillia disgusting and so do I - I also happen to find the idea of gay sex disgusting. Why should I be forced to say that I'm quite happy with gay sex when I'm blatently not - I don't feel threatened - I'm easy with my own sexuality - I just find the idea to be most unpleasent.
Well theres many people would argue that homosexuals must have had something happen in their emotional development to make them favour same sex realtionships.
What qualifies you judge what people are born like and what people learn? Surely if people can be born gay there is just as much chance people can be born peadophilles?
You havn't stated any reasons why people can be born gay but not be born a peadophille. You havn't stated any facts on anything - just mere speculation.
Becasue they are linked - both along with hetrosexuality are sexual preferences.
Learnt does not necessarily mean chosen.
I still fail to see what you are getting at and why you are comparing homosexuality and paedophilia.
Homosexuality harms no one. They are not comparable.
I find paedophilia disgusting because it is basically rape.
Comparing it to homosexuality is offensive.
What aspect of homosexual sex do you find disgusting?
I would suggest that you are not as comfortable with yourself as you like to think, otherwise what 2 people get up to in private wouldn't bother you in the slightest.
The latest thinking I read was that there is a genetic predispostion to homosexuality but environment can play a part.
But so what? Who cares? It hurts no one.
I'm not doing the judging. You are.
And all you've done is repeat over and over again that you find homosexuality disgusting, and attempted to draw fatuous, tenuous and frankly offensive connections with paedophilia.
No they are not linked. For the reasons I have stated. Try reading my posts again.
From
http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year1/psychobiology_site_backups/homosexuality-debate/genetics.html
This is also interesting
From
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992943
Yes, but as I've said, the difference is in the possibility of having emotionally healthy consensual relationships.
I know and I never said it was.
:banghead:
I'm trying to get some sense out of this whole 'sexuality is inbornort learnt' argument. Either it is or it isn't, or it's a bit of both. And if somethings true of one sexuality than it could be possible for another.
No that's child abuse. Paedophillia is being attracted to children not raping children.
In what way?
It's just something that really doesn't sit well on my mind - same with toe sucking, water sports, beastiality, peadophillia etc
I'd suggest that you know fuck all about me then. I'm not that bothered about what two gay men might get up to and I don't spend much time thinking about it - whatever makes them happy as I said before. I still find the thought of gay sex pretty revolting.
Is that right. Do you think that maight be the case with hetrosexuals aswell and possibbly people who are attracted to animals or even children.
Sorry if this seems a bit repetative but you keep on 'failing to see what I'm getting at' so I'm goiung to try and hammer it home.
Nope actually I'm not. I don't judge people soley on their sexuality. Yes I find gay sex unpleasant and it may be a part of someones character that I dislike (same as if they pick their nose and eat it
If the fact that I find gay sex unpleasent offends people tough shit. I have never implied that homosexuals are more likely to be peadsophilles or anything along those lines and you know that.
But they are. This whole argument is about what turns you on and why. And for that simple reason they are linked.
Actually, it's about whether schools should be allowed to teach about homoseuxality.
Same here - what I don't agree with though is that people 'choose' - that just seems ludicrus to me.
If that's what you are (be hetro or gay) and if it makes you happy then fair play. And just because I believe in that doesn't mean I can't find the thought of gay sex unpleasant, or disgusting, or whatever word I choose - it doesn't matter, it's a turn off me thank you very much.
No. They are different. How many times do I have to repeat it?
I kind of see what you are driving at, but as I said, they are different for the very reasons that one can lead to mutually satisfying relationships and one can't.
Its a turn off for me too. That doesn't mean that I find it disgusting though.
And toe sucking can be quite erotic in the right circumstances...
Hope that makes sense.
100% in agreeance.