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Why shouldn't gay people be allowed to adopt and have a family?
I don't believe in same sex marriages nor people of the same sex having babies. Both of those things are ment to be between a man and a woman.
Slimface could be right.. Previous research suggested that male homosexuality is passed on from mother to son but there is no real evidence that shows that homosexuality is simply "genetic."
I spent about 3 years trying to be straight before I eventually accepted that I can't change. I could date guys, sleep with guys, get married (as in legally, to a guy!) and have 1.8 children but I can't force myself to be attracted to guys. I'm gay and I can't change that.
Just a side issue, but actually the gay gene (if it exists, but it most likely does) is recessive so it can continue.
But I don't think I can be. Since you say you considered yourself bisexual, maybe that's the difference? I have never liked guys. I'm only guessing. You may be right, it could be sheer bloodymindedness on some level preventing me from changing, I don't know.
I'm not offended at all. Everyone's opinions are valid (even those I violently disagree with!) and you have supported everything you say so it's all good.
In what way, is loving somebody else setting a bad example? Just wondering.
Also, what are these 'wrong vibes'?
You mean sexuality as a form of controlling the population? Isn't that a good thing though?
Hehe each to his/her own wisdom is subjective. Personally I believe in homosexuality as a good thing, I know some wonderful gay people. The fact that society is becoming accepting of it in my eyes is a good thing because it means we're fearing less what not all people understand. And the break through of fear I believe is revolutionary.
As Mahatma Ghandi said:
"Fear is not a disease of the body; fear kills the soul."
Expand on this?
I can't say I believe this. Ask gay people if they believe it.
But that's your experience and not anybody elses. Don't you believe that people should be true to themselves?
So you believe that sexuality is all about control? You believe there's a sense of rising 'above'? Does that make gay people below you because they've 'given in' to some desire you can't comprehend?
Again I disagree. Firstly, life is all about what makes you happy and you should go where it takes you, even if you differentiate from the social norms. What would you rather have, denial? Or happiness?
But that's your experience and nobody elses. Just because you aren't bisexual or gay doesn't mean that other people aren't. You can't generalise by one experience alone. And how does being gay affect people around you?
If you're talking on a macroscopic scale you could argue that homosexuality controls the population. Looking at the world resources today and the fact that our population is waaaaaaay too big, then it's a good thing.
Please don't assume that because I'm attracted to women, or beauce my friends are attracted to the same sex that we don't give a shit about other people. That's an insult, only an opinion but a misguided one that's utterly offensive.
I know gay people who work for the community, with children, some gay people work abroad, raise money, do environmental work... just because you're gay/bi/pansexual doesn't mean you don't care about anyone.
Where do you get your ideas from?
Sorry if I sounded bolschy. The ol' rat is opinionated, but you back up what you believe which is good.
Unlike the hiphop wannabe kid
Doubt, but you don't know for sure. Just ask them
How do you be true to your mind?
Ok, although it's on a tangent... NEVER believe anybody is ever above you. We all came out naked and helpless and we all grow as strong as we choose to grow. If you made mistakes you made 'em, but to learn from your mistakes, that's what makes you strong.
Don't let yourself even tell you that they're better than you.
There's responsibility and there's truth, they kinda walk hand in hand. Truth is accepting who you are and responsibility is ensuring that you act out who you are in a manner that ensures you won't hurt anyone. I don't see how two consenting adults of the same gender making love and being together is hurting people, really.
Again, good for you. If you are happy on your path then go ahead with it, but we all choose our own paths and unless they conflict I don't see why there should be any problem.
Nope, I'm a sociology student and a psychology one.
But again, what is the right and wrong direction? Homosexuality and bisexuality is even found in animals, dolphins for example and apart from the senseless destruction of mankind they seem to be doing alright. Yes, the theory is interesting but being a sociology student I don't believe that you can apply something as positivist as what you presented to society.
Just to explain the jargon a little. Positivist approaches to looking at society's issues are very scientific and usually involve statistics and graphs of social trends where as interpretivist approaches look more in depth than statistics. Anyway, not saying that your example is positivist as it hasn't been applied to society, but if you did so on a scale of research then it would be.
Gagagaga... where were we?
Oh yeah...
So what I mean is that society is not like atoms, people have a consciousness, every society is different with its norms and values and political and economical structure.
Firstly, not all gay men are camp and as for women, there are differences between the way they behave. Femmes and butches, bois, bull dykes. Gay women can be stereotyped just as easily as men.
Secondly, I don't understand what you mean about the control mechanisms or the unconscious memories. Unconscious memories are unable to be reached, but subconscious are always there. Memory is a completely different matter all together when looking at the development of children, unless you count say... Bandura's social learning theory which hasn't been proved effective long term.
Aye, it's just a view points, even if I do believe some of them are misguided. But then that's only a personal opinion.
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Not obnoxious at all, you put up a good arguement and don't insult the opposition and others will agree. Qualifications are not everything though, you can have gone to Oxford uni straight from Eaton and still know nothing about the world.
Pissed off about what?
Also, many gay people fight their sexuality at first because it's a scary thing being "different" in a society that doesn't like that sort of difference. And I still don't agree that you can find the "root" of your sexuality and undo it! It's not that easy.
This "son" is actually ten years older than you, junior.
Anyway, back to the question, do you have anything which backs up your predjudice, or is it just based on ignorance...?
Utter utter nonsense.
Why do think they do that? Because there are still ignorant bigots like you who make them feel disgusting.
Proven Science = fact
So to be born gay is theory
My theory differentiates from the masses, but am I wrong?
I do not believe genetically you are born with the inability to make a conscious choice at a certain age (depending on the individual) as to whick sex you choose to identify sexually with.
To choose the same sex is to defy natures way - therefore being UNnatural.
So I ask - If something is unnatural, is it right?
Not to say my THEORY or OPPINION is right, but I believe we were put here to procreate..
Utter nonsense in that you obviously have no understanding of quantum physics.
Oh dear. Very dodgy ground, philsophically.
First up define "natural" and "unnatural".
In regards to human biology :
Natural being to procreate - continue - do what our natural organs were put there to do.
Unnatural - to put our genitalia in a place that is just going to serve a sexual (Animal - savage like) relief or pleasure.
So to insert a penis into an anus, or for two vaginal openings to rub together for the cause of a "thrill" is an unnatural occurance, & just takes us back towards a neandethol way of thought.
Lets try again.
Define "natural" and "unnatural".
I'm actually starting to like you, even though I don't think we could agree on anything.
You want a dictionary reference, cause if so, it does not apply to this conversation.
We are talking biology, not the English language (which has been watered down, raped & pillaged) over the last few hundred decades anyway..
You understood my post, so debate like an adult.
We can talk science, or math, you choose.
The point is, that the terms "natural" and "unnatural" are pure social constructs. They are meaningless. A false binary opposition, if you will. Human beings are part of nature. We are not separate from it. Anything we do, is therefore "natural". How can it not be? The distintinction between "natural" and "unnatural" is therefore a meaningless one.
And do you really think that sex is only about procreation? You're against contraception? Oral sex? Masturbation? Anal sex with a woman? In fact, by your logic, any sex that does not have a chance of leading to pregnancy is "unnatural" and immoral, yes?
The nerve endings in genitalia are there to allow for contact to be pleasureable. Surely therefore pleasure seeking is entirely natural...?
Q. How is a male's exitement enhanced?
A. Through the massaging of the prostate.
Q. How do you massage the prostate?
A. Anally...
Again, a natural act.
Oh, and you seem to have glossed over the "people unable to have children" aspect. Is sex involving any parter unable to concieve "unnatural" then...?
It's interesting that we are spending so much time debating why people are gay. I'm not sure we'll ever no but the fact remains that it's widely accepted that many people are through no fault of their own, and they cannot change. That being so, why deny a group of people the right to commit to each other for life and receive the same rights as anyone else?
I 've never understood why it bothers some people so much what other people get up to in bed. Maybe they feel threatened?
Jus' wanna say what????
What relevence does that have to anything? No I mean really. Back up what you're going to say if you're gonna make a point.
And you know about these? I haven't seen a display of any knowledge in your posts. No studies, no links to back up what you believe. And hey it's an opinion, but don't go patronising people. It makes you look small (that's me being honest).
People have libidos, it's psychology... and even animals seek pleasure.
Does that mean infertile couples can't marry? Or have relationships?
See this sounds more like a mind technique, not sexuality. I'd love to discuss this with you some time (but I'm nackered) as I have a different perspective on energies. Maybe you should take up meditation as you seem to put yourself down a lot. If you need any help PM me, but it's good for stressand depression.
Because I as a hetrosexual find the thought of gay sex disgusting, sorry but I do. Fair enough though, if two consenting blokes want to get it on let them - it doesn't affect me does it.
I find peadophillia disgusting as well - it is unfortunate that some people will always be attracted to children and they can't help that (is it genetic two). Unlike in a hetro or gay relationship however, you can never have two responsible consenting parties.
Why? Have you read the thread? Why are you threatened by it?
If you're truly comfortable in your own sexuality, it won't bother you.
Why are you comparing homosexuality with peadophilia? That is very offensive and ignorant. They are totally different.
Paedophilia is non-consensual and exploitative.
We're not.
If two people want to commit themselves to an act which shows there devotion to each other, why cant we just leave them to it? It doesnt hurt anyone and i cant see why people are making a fuss over this issue when there are more important things to think about.
So we finally agree
Paedo's should be either handed over to the family whose child they have abused, or have their parts removed. No genetic this & that bulls*** excuses..
Homo's : they should just be locked up & cured!