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Absolutely true.
Any athlete who's sport requires them to have a great deal of muscle mass would be considered obese to sickeningly obese, even though these guys could probably run circles around 99% of the general population....
which makes them less human and less deserving than me?????
I know I'm gonna have to repeat myself sooner of later, so I might as well say it now.....THIS IS NOT AIMED AT THE MINORITY OF OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE (who have a disease, or disorder etc), IT IS AIMED AT THE MAJORITY OF LAZY OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE!
If it was anybody else who said that fat people were less human, then id be shocked, but since its you, its expected :rolleyes:
In life, in terms of eating, taking care of themselves, and overall health, a lazy fat person is not as 'good' as a healthy person who takes care of themselves.
In terms of, eg, behaviour, a criminal who mugs everyday is not as 'good' as a person who doesn't mug.
In terms of driving, a person who regularly drives over the speed limit is not as 'good' as a person who sticks to the speed limit.
(I know I'm getting silly here, but I'm trying to make my point).
In terms of generosity, a well off person who doesn't give money to charity isn't as 'good' as a well off person who does.
I can go on and on and on.
Now, add all of these things up, and you should get a figure to see how much more a person is 'human' compared to another person. Silly I know, but do you get the idea.
To tell the truth, I think 'rainbow brites' initial comment which was 'does that make them less human and deserving than me' (for eating chocolate) was rather unnecessary. I think she knew what I meant.
Fat people, who want to lose weight shouldn't eat chocolates if they want to lose weight. Yes, eating in moderation is an issue, but if you want to lose weight fast, then I suggest cutting it out of your diet completely. It is useless calories, and any goodness in it can be found in other healthier foods.
I could spout off here for hours but I'm a bit shell shocked by your statements, so I think I'll leave it for a while.
"Are unhealthy people who eat chocolate less human than healthy people?"
How else would you answer that question without simply saying 'No their not any less human'. Clearly, everyone is as human as everyone else, but I had to make a point didn't I, without being all 'nice'?
I'm not an animal, I do have feelings. I don't go around saying all these things to people to their face, but we can't ignore these issues. Obesity is on the increase. There are a lot of fat people out there who want to lose weight, and you may criticise my tactics for addressing this issue, but the majority of peoples tactics of reassuring them (e.g. "Being fat is OK", "Don't worry, one chocolate bar isn't gonna kill you"......etc) isn't exactly helping is it? I'm sorry if I've caused any offence, but I still do think that a lot of people in this country are just lazy, McDonalds eating, technology relying, overweight people, who are following in the footsteps of the Americans, and a few motivational harsh words can only be a 'kick up the backside' (so to speak) can't they?
I dont personally feel your harsh words to be motivating at all, it reads more like a 'slap the fat kid'.
I understand your point, but dont agree with the way its put over, nor do I agree with the way you generalise about fat people, and dont try to understand that things arent just black and white so to speak.
You may not actually 'say' these things to a fat persons face in your 'real' life so why then do you post them on here, where 'real' people can read them, the written word often cuts deeper. Are you just a bully that hides behind the computer screen for protection?
I dont think youve tackled this very issue well at all, you want us to think you had the best of intentions when posting the thread but some of your comments including those in your original post are just plain insensitive. Fat people have feelings, fat people need motivating and you can constructively critisise someone without resorting to being nasty. Maybe you cant see it in your own postings, but from the reaction youve had here I think alot of others can.
Not quite. Because clinically, it isn't. If it makes someone upset, then it obviously isn't good for them and they'll have to find ways to deal with that, but that's not the same as heart disease, high bp etc etc etc which are potentially life threatening and brought on by obesity and lack of physical activity. Being fat isn't good for people. And I think that IS black and white.
I understand what crescendo is saying pretty much although I can see that's its not the most human way of putting a point across. It's controversial but obviously hits a nerve and this does a good job of making people think. It's not very good from a practical point of view (as in helping people) but most of what is said I agree with.
If people are deliberately making themselves unhealthy then I agree that they are less deserving. To illustrate this, many surgeons now refuse to operate on smokers with even life threatening illness unless they have stopped smoking for several months and intend to stay stopped. They don't deserve the effort and resources if they're just going to carry on harming themselves. As far as the human thing goes, I used to be quite ill from epilepsy and a severe candida infection in my gut and that made me less human than others because I literally didn't FEEL human. Obviously, you can't just expect to change habits and lifestyles just like that so education and support is essential (& I think crescendo is just trying to make the point, not give the support).
I find it sad that a post has been opened to insult overweight people. It's tactless dude.
Women.
Essential fat - 10-12%
Athletes - 14-20%
Fitness - 21-24%
Acceptable - 25-31%
Obese - 32%+
Men
Essential fat - 2-4%
Athletes - 6-13%
Ftiness - 14-17%
Acceptable - 18-25%
Obese - 25%+
explain to me, then, how i can still be a size 12-14 (American), when all I eat is healthy goods?
your theory doesn't work.
what you say would work to lose weight, yes, but it's harder than that. its a long slow process. and if you have no motivation, no willpower, or no self-confidence the process is even slower.
Edit: Jil cannot spell well. Forgive me.
A new study by the U.S Department of Agriculture's Economic Research has analyzed 5, 274 respondents to find out which behaviors and attitudes correlated with weight control. Women who believe that weight is a matter of individual control are thinner than those who think it's genetically determined.
I agree with those of you on here who think being, uh, "fat" is a problem that everyone has to taken personal responsibility for and stop making excuses for their size. Being overweight is unattractive, and much more importantly, unhealthy.
I mean, only up until about a year ago, I was really fat and ugly.
I got so depressed I did something about it.
I'm now 2 stone lighter, and "good lookin" according to my male mates.
Regular excersize and health eating is great. And it does work, only if you're not lazy and give up on the 3rd week of trying.
A few years ago, my mum made me a deal. She said, "Lose the weight you need to, and you can have your belly button pierced. I'll pay."
Ever since then, I've been losing weight. I've lost 2 stone, and am now at the right weight according to the BMI scale.
All I needed was that little push, and here I am now, confident wth my size, and generally chuffed with my weight.
Here I come with the navel piercing
Blessed Be x
1 stone = 14lbs.
I am highly active. Not nearly as much lately, due to my knee. (I re-tore ligaments a couple months back, and it's still healing) but I do as much as I can, even if its only walking as of right now.
good point. but any people like that that i've met, could care less. Maybe they don't have the knowledge of healthy foods and so choose foods that are less healthy. Those that would much prefer fat and grease for every square meal then something else, are in trouble. Anyone over weight that I know will graciously trade in their chips for a carrot yet still cant find the motivation to try harder (ie: be active, etc) .
really, I cant speak for anyone but myself. I myself have made the choice to be active and eat healthy. And I myself have lost a LOT of weight. (however, my dress size hasn't changed much) and I know that it took a lot of willpower and motivation as well as a lot of knowledge.
And in my school if you are fat you are made to feel ugly, lazy, stupid. Why? Why do people have to be soooo mean? If someone isn't attractive to you...why not keep it to yourself? (This isn't aimed at anyone on this board...I'm thinking of people at my school.)