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you have a hatred for bosses. does this mean there will be no captain aboard a ship. a collective decision will be made about when to change direction. you have said there will be no need for financial institutions....WHA...i wont even be able to save up. of course not because i might save for years and end up better off than you..another court appearance for me ?
all men are not equal especialy in the work place. who will study for years to become a doctor if he's going to get paid the same as a plummer ? if a whole nation hates your mad idea as much as i do and they threaten to attack your utopia with chemical/biological nuclear weapons your going to attack them i pressume and kill thier women and children. or are you going to hypnotize the non believers. osama and the likes would detest your ideas as he wants a strong religous system ruling the world...are you going to attack him before he attacks you ?
would people be alowed to buy more expensive and fashionable cloths than you.....to show off how much money they've got or are we back to chairman mao . these very simplistic points would cause you very serious problems. do we all end up living in the same drab houses...it would go against the grain if i had a bigger nicer house than yours. what would we be.."alowed" to do. "alowed "to own ?
i pressume your a 14yr old idealist. nowt wrong with that but when you grow up you will find it's all been done before and people get pissed off sharpish by poloticians telling them what to do and severely restricting thier choices and possibilities.
a world without finance aye...you need some drugs.
all men are not equal especialy in the work place. who will study for years to become a doctor if he's going to get paid the same as a plummer ? if a whole nation hates your mad idea as much as i do and they threaten to attack your utopia with chemical/biological nuclear weapons your going to attack them i pressume and kill thier women and children. or are you going to hypnotize the non believers. osama and the likes would detest your ideas as he wants a strong religous system ruling the world...are you going to attack him before he attacks you ?
would people be alowed to buy more expensive and fashionable cloths than you.....to show off how much money they've got or are we back to chairman mao . these very simplistic points would cause you very serious problems. do we all end up living in the same drab houses...it would go against the grain if i had a bigger nicer house than yours. what would we be.."alowed" to do. "alowed "to own ?
i pressume your a 14yr old idealist. nowt wrong with that but when you grow up you will find it's all been done before and people get pissed off sharpish by poloticians telling them what to do and severely restricting thier choices and possibilities.
a world without finance aye...you need some drugs.
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He's in his middle 30's.
Scarey, eh?
His photo is far more terrifying.
By the way a few weeks ago the Socialist Workers Party held an event in London called Marxism 2002 which was attended by 6,000 people. Which was a week of debate and meetings about every topic of concern to the left.
I don't know what part of the world you live, but whereever it is the idea of Marxist communism doesn't seem to have reached it yet!
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk
6,000?
Oh shit guys, we're in real trouble now.
Oh, silly me, what am I worried about? More people work for my hospital than attended that meeting. Hardly reflective of public opinion, is it?
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk
Yeah, lets wait. I'm really looking forward to the masses from Birmingham coming down in their "100" coaches etc.
I'm sure McDonalds will be grateful for the extra business.
Just because people will go to this demo you cannot say that those people are Marxist, socailist, or actually anything other than agaisnt the war in iraq.
oh god, not them, they signed me up when i was about 15 and i went to a few meetings before realising what a load of shit most of it was. I think they give most protests a bad name, because they jump on the bandwagon for absolutely everything. Who was it who said `I have socialist ideals, but i also like earning a bit of money`
you made no attempt to answer these questions. put in a very simplistic way so you'd have no difficulty. but these simple points translate into very difficult realities for your crackpot ..OLD FASHIONED ..already been tried and rejected ideas.
are we realy to listen seriously to a guy who can't get a job. can't get somewhere to live ? a guy who can't sort out the most basic personal problems in his own life , has the answers to the complexity of a plantets problems. i think not.
And with a single statement, Steelgate confirms what we've known all along: he does not live in the real world.
I'm beginning to think he is a figment of Morrocan Roll's imagination. Lay off the joints man.
Considering their political leanings, they probably won't be going anywhere near Maccy D's.:p
If their actions followed their convictions, you might be right. But it's very likely that they will find hunger outweighs their convictions.
Steelgate,
Read Guns, Germs and Steel. As for your protest, no one cares, and it will make no difference in what action is taken against Iraq.
I think you will find he is taking the michael
As if...
Based on the same sentiments as Greenhat, with one eye on the fact that many people won't b anti-capitalists and will eat whatever is convenient...
That's if hundreds of thousands actually believe in your cause, which i very much doubt.
It's Derek.
As in oil
Sorry but the irony in that just shows that there is a Divine being and that He has a sense of humour...
As it is people will only see it advertised on flyposters, leaflets and in a few magazines!
This war if it happens will be massive slaughter and destruction just like the last Gulf War. People are hypocrities when the IRA were bombing Britain they used to call the people who carried out those bombings subhuman and worse than animals yet they don't seem concerned about all the suffering that has been caused to the Iraqi people and will be caused if there is another war.
Don't blame it all on Saddam either. Saddam didn't tell the West to use cancer causing depleted uranium or cluster bombs on the Iraqi people! I hate it when people keep saying "but its all the fault of Saddam", the west was the one that put Saddam in power in the first place and armed him!
Here is an article about the effects of depleted uranium on the Iraqi people.
Perhaps we made a mistake? If so, should we not rectify it? tell me, have you ever cooked using a gas stove or even an open fire? Have you not had that fire get a little too hot -- and put it out?
Make your mind up, Steely. If we are responsible for 'creating' this monster, Saddam, then we are also responsible for putting it down, no? We will shoot our own dog, not hire a proxy that may bungle it.
Here is an article about why depleted uranium is used in the first place.
And another
http://www.stopwar.org.uk
But you've said that it's already devastated and in ruins. How can it get any worse?
Also of course it would get much worse if Iraq is bombed again because those bombs would be killing and maiming tens of thousands more people! No people deserve to bombed at all! :mad:
http://www.stopwar.org.uk
...of a country that's already starving, right? :rolleyes:
Need I remind you, you've not answered a single one of Mr Roll's questions, your responses to which all of us would find interesting.
Erm....yes it does. We have every right to. Saddam has threatened to destroy us, and he has consistently refused to cease the manufacture of weapons of mass destruction. Thus, we have the right to destroy him.
I'd much rather a few HUNDRED Iraqi civilians die through bombs going astray, than the hundreds of thousands that will die when we nuke Bagdhad and the rest of Iraq when Saddam launches nukes at us or our allies.
Yes, Iraq will take a beating, however it could be worse.
Saddam has 3 choices. Allow the inspectors to return along with Allied troops to ensure their safety, and removing himself from power, 2)Refusing, and being on the recieving end of an invasion, or 3)Refusing, using WMD's in mad desperation on a neighbouring country/our troops and watching as Bagdhad disapears under a mushroom cloud.
This is just a war to gain control of the richest oil producing region in the world by Britain and America!
The west has also committed genocide against the Iraqi people by its use of depleted uranium shells during the last Gulf War which led to thousands and thousands of cancers and birth defects among the Iraqi people and through sanctions which have killed over one million Iraqi people! :mad: :mad: :mad:
http://www.stopwar.org.uk
I think you need to read that article again, because that isn't actually what he said. As I pointed out when you last quoted it...
Why do you do it?
Masochism?
Or perhaps because I would hate for anyone reading this to be under the impression that he is right. If I don't point out the inaccuracy of his points people may start to believe him...
[edited to add:] It is because people like you and I kept quiet, Balddog, that the likes of Steelgate and his cronies managed to get such a stranglehold on Labour in the 80s and why they are now getting a grip on the Unions.
He used to piss us all off on Liv( please dont blame us for him though hes frequented sites such as these for years.)
Heres the low down as far as we can ascertain...
Hes a homeless guy who lives in a squat.
he made himslf homeless because his flat was too expensive to keep on and took too much cash from his dole cheque.
he couldnt possibly work becuase he wouldnt get his dole as well
He wont gee a job becuase hes homeless.
He wouldnt get a job even when he had a flat becuase he would have lost his dole.
He likes to sit in net cafes and libraries criticising those of us who do work ( and incidentaly pay for his privelaged lifestyle)
He stalks women and is desperate to have a girl
The best places to pull are libraries and parks.
Hes only ever paid prositiutes for sex ( by his own admission)
He says its fine for a guy to rape if he cant get sex.
Sex should be a basic human right.he has no probs spending his dole money on prositiutes
Sex should be allowed to be taken forcibly if its not available by any other means becuase its a right such as food and shelter.
Oh and hes pretty fond of the old anti capitalist protestors and tries to justify anyone eho gets beaten by the riot police whilst wrecking other peoples property, even if that included those people who are attempting to kill and injure those police officers.
Anything Ive forgotten please feel free to add
Steely, do you or do you not concede that if we 'created' Saddam then we are also responsible for putting him down? Just like a master and his dog.
Bravo Whowhere, for pointing out that a conventional action now is much less destructive than a nuclear action later.
Also, has it not crossed anyone's mind that Saddam does not need to attack the West directly to bring about a nuclear mess in the Middle East? All he needs to do is lob a few chem or bio rounds at tel Aviv and the Israeli Air Force will quite happily glass Baghdad. The US wouldn't have to do anything -- and it's doubtful whether they could even stop Israel from embarking on such a course of action if the Jewish State were attacked with chemical or biological weapons. Rumour has it that the IDF was poised to do just what I described in the last Gulf War...