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Oooo, secretive :cool:
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Similar but definately not the same.
As for subways, cant go wrong for convience, price and taste.
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PREPARE TO DIE!
Why do you think that is?
No I don't.
But I do think that the existence of Subway, and the fact that people fall over themselves to eat there, has serious consequences for this country. Perhaps you like every town and city in the whole country to be the same, but I don't. I think people that buy nothing but corporate branded shite will get the towns and cities that they deserve- its just a shame that I'll have to live in them too.
It isn't just about Subway, but people who eat there and think it fantastic are part of a much bigger and wider problem. They're entitled to their opinions and tastes, but for fuck's sake, lets not pretend that that choice doesn't have serious negative consequences for this country.
That's capitalism for you, Subway are able to offer stiffer competition with cheaper prices, they also have the ability to market themselves nationally (TV ads, posters etc etc). Subway aren't the first and won't be the last to exploit this.
Mmmmm Southwest Cheese Steak with lots of jalapenos
It is, and they are, and they won't.
It doesn't make it right and people who defend the conglomerates are idiots.
It's all to do with what people/society view as more important.
Cheap, lowish quality food vs. quality/local more expensive produce.
The whole process of globalisation, breakdown of social/economic barriers plays a part, who gives a fuck about the local shop which has been run for over 100 years when I can get my own sandwhich made for me in Subway. Sad but true, saying that I don't mind having the odd Subway now and again.
What about people who buy from conglomerates? are they idiots?
I cant name a single person who hasnt bought something from a conglomerate at some point in their life. :no:
Not to mention convenience and familiarity. It's far more convenient for most people to spend an hour in Tesco a week, than an afternoon, or full day roaming around the various shops in town.
i agree. kermit, you say how can people like subways but then go onto say that you like mcdonalds! it's down to individual taste - not just yours!
Totally different.
Yes we've all bought from - and maybe do continue to buy from - certain conglomorates in our lives. It's one thing to buy from a company you know are ethically far from perfect because there is no viable other option... it's another thing entirely to leap into defensive mode and go to bat for multi-million pound conglomorates who I can guarantee will be doing you no such favours anytime in the future.
I don't think it's idiotic per se, just short sighted and a wee bit naive.
Having a Big Mac every four months is hardly "liking" it, but if I'm forced to have fast food its better than a lot.
Why is everyone so quick to defend Subway? They're a foreign multi-national company that are systematically destroying this country. People who defend them are idiots, and they're going to get the desolate city centres that they deserve.
To all those who profess to love Subway: do you care about your cities and towns, or not? If you do, how can you marry that with an adoration for processed corporate junk?
The way I read it, people weren't defending Subway so much as defending themselves, defending their tastes, and defending their choice to cram down a dirty corporate 12incher every day of their lives if they so desire.
I got dragged in there one day when a friend was buying some, and i couldnt justify paying the price when i could get a boots meal deal for £2.50
There is always the option not to buy it
Im happy to buy from and 'bat for' conglomorate who i choose to shop with. If they meet my needs (ie. a burger, sandwhich) and im happy, then i will defend them.
Just because someone defends a conglomorate doesnt make them idiots. It just means they have a different opinion.
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As much I enjoy being patronised, I did say oooh not ten posts ago that I don't consider it "idiotic" to eat at Subway. Oh, and I'm aware of the concept of opinions, thanks
The jarring part is that I'm also aware of the concept of identikit towns and find it a pretty troubling eventuality that my kids are going to grow up in a soulless vacuum of Subway and Starbucks-dominated towns and cities because people don't care about supporting local independents and keeping food miles down etc. Short sighted.
Short sighted? Or just a case of them not valuing the same things as you? I think that when people get upset by huge companies, they're actually more upset by the fact that most people seem to prefer them.
Its not that I'm upset by the popularity of Starbucks, I'm mystified, the coffee is crap and massively over priced.
Well I'm mystified by the popularity of coffee in general, I think it's all crap. And that game of shot chess that I played where my opponent was playing as Kahlua didn't help much.
Why would I be upset that people preferred them? I have no vested interest in the financial success of independent shops and services, other than the belief that if I don't support them then we're going to find ourselves in a position very soon of having no choice other than big-name venues in which to shop, eat and live out our controlled, seasoned and preservative-packed lives.
Now that might suit you fine and that's your own business, but it doesn't suit me at all and I'm not going to be painted into a role of someone who hates choices and getting a bargain sandwich and having a convenient place to eat... because that's not the case at all.
I can't fathom the popularity of Subway, but nor am I trying to deny it. It boils down to what someone said previously about knowing what you're going to get in any country in the world, knowing that you'll be served up plastic cheese and practically meatless meatballs with some bizarre choice of sauces. I've grasped that point but I will never, ever understand it. Having a identikit chain of shops that mean you are safe in your own bubble of white bread (or maybe "Italian" bread that is nothing like any bread I ever ate in Italy) and pre-sliced meat and processed cheese so you are never in the position where you have to experience local food... the dishes that people in different cultures have been eating for generations upon generations. I am supposed to swallow that that is a good thing? I think it is fucking sad.
I'd be interested in what "values" people relate to Subway. I assume low cost and convenience. Someone at some point down the line has to pay - whether that person is a local shopowner forced out of business, or someone being paid laughable wages in some reconstituted meat factory somewhere.
It might be cat cheese.