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And the only quotes attributable to people involved in feminism are tied up with a defence of her bigotted comments, such as claiming they're either true or need to be put in context.
As for what yerascrote and others have said...completely irrelevent to how the feministas on here avoided the points i've raised.
Very poor try Mok, very poor indeed.
Yeah, alongside claims it's all just "hyperbole". :rolleyes:
Still waiting for you to come up with some, as you made the comment in the first place...
Because I've no sympathy with the views of either the neanderthal element, where's women should only be allowed to express opinions on what the better cake mix or the big girls blouse element, who sit there whimpering about how these nasty women get all the good things and us men are poor downtrodden things beneath their high heels.
Frankly the UK's Men Movement have smaller balls than most women I know.
I don't like Greer, but when you actually read her Guardian article, she doesn't say what you are trying to imply she says. You're supposedly doing a degree, surely you're intelligent enough to read a whole newspaper opinion piece without falling asleep?
Errr...I have read the article (which is utterly moronic), commented on the context, and have no need to imply anything.
That's something even you might manage to realise if you spent less time projecting your own intellectual inadequacies onto me and praticed what you preached.
That would be a big step for you Kermit, but keep on trying.
And humans are the only species that ever managed to build civilisations, sky scrapers etc etc. And I bet that 9 out of 10 of these engineers and pioneers have been men. Does that make them freaks of nature? Humans are so far distant from nature itself that those arguments can't be used. She means something different when she says "freaks of nature."
Why would I hate you? Today, most women don't go into construction because they simply aren't as physically strong as men. It's nothing to do with discrimination, it's simple biology.
I don't think it's fair to call men freaks of nature because we've been involved in so many wars. Even in nature, male species will fight each other males for the right to mate with females. They're very territorial like us, if someone invades their space they'll let them know all about it. Bit like countries here invading others. I'm sure other animals would kill each other but unfortunately they simply don't have the human mind to build guns and bombs. She's being a misandrist by calling us freaks of nature, sure she may be an icon and have some excellent work but it's things like that that sort of make you question her credibility.
All animals fight amongst each other.
I've already said the human mind is vastly different from anything else in nature. If you're going to say men are freaks of nature then you might aswell add women.
I've mentioned one, also social attitudes towards some jobs make women shy away from them. Same with men, there are fuck all male nurses or nanny's.
Thats trying to have it both ways isnt it? Women havnt built skyscrapers because theyve never been in a position of power to do it but they havnt started wars because if they were in a position of power they wouldnt do that and the world would be nice.
Every woman leader England/Britian has ever had has lead us into war.
You think women are less suseptable to do bad things, its a bit easy to say its all men who do torture genocide etc women are better then that. What about Rowanda I think a lot of women were involved in genocide there, slavery if you read some of the slave naratives youl see that some women were very fond of the whip. In North Korea they have female "concentration camps" and the inmates are tortured continously. Not to mention that all the cases where its happened women would have supported the regeme.
have you never seen a dog that captures a rabbit or bird to play about with for fun?
But hang on, what does this actually have to do with anything relating to the original topic? I'm loathe to admit it, but I'm very confused as to the point we're debating now.
ETA: Though God knows how we got to that. I can't be arsed reading back tbh.
But yeah, GWST, I couldn't believe the "most of my friends are" line came up, either. I literally had to double-check to confirm I wasn't seeing things.
He also argues that HIT couldn't possibly have anything against the "cult" of feminism, and all the "bitches" that follow it, because feminism is just a word. A word that he too thinks means "big nasty man-hating bigot", of course.
But that's OK because some of his best friends are women
Aha now this is a nice piece of hyperbole. One of Kermit's specialties.
I think I have fairly represented what Spliffie's argument was. I'm sure he'll be along to correct me if I'm wrong.
Eh?
So what on earth is your point, chuck?
Fun as this is, I have work tomorrow. Goodnight :wave:
Spliffie's POV should show anyone who has thoughts similar to Jazza's why it is so imperative that feminists continue to be vocal and active on their own behalf and on the behalf of their sex. I'd go on but I really can't be arsed, it's the same oul' thing everytime and I'm not in a position to start getting worked up over debates stemming from Steve Irwin. I don't think any of us who have ever been involved in this weird, strangely pointless combative debate about feminism are ever going to change our minds. I'd say I'm done wasting my breath on it, but then I don't really want to have to eat my words. So I won't.
Also, "feministas" always makes me LOL.
I didn't make a point.
Óiche mhaith.