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No doubt this means its gonna be a shitty day at work though...
As I said before we shouldn't base our foreign policy on what might happen to us but on what is right or wrong. But when our government does something that is wrong, and then we're made to suffer for it as well, the government should be blamed for it IMO.
Good to see Virgin Trains offering airlines passengers free travel on trains instead!
We also bombed Libya so it wasn't just aid packages and some sanctions, but letting him know that we were prepared to lauch attacks with the deliberate attempt to kill him. Plus I think the Iraq invasion shook him up a lot - as it looked like the US was willing to put boots on the ground and overthrow hostile regimes, at which point its probably best to become a less hostile regime.
Given that we'd had sanctions on iraq for With Iraq you seem to be talking in hindsight and that doesn't mean that Iraq was a mistake, only the precise tactics and planning.
But lets say the anti-war people actually succeeded and we didn't go to war. Saddam and his sons would still be in power, they'd still be killing and torturing those who opposed them. Is it an ethical foreign policy to just shrug and offer a few condemnations and perhaps a few aid packages if pretty, please you don't torture quite so many people. Or would the UK still have blood on its hands - just different people's blood.
There is no such thing as ethical foreign policy and much of the support for one is based on the wish for the protester to feel good, and as they say 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'
Of course, I'm fully aware that its not clear cut and that its not something which is a black and white issue.
I just think, as with other dictators (just as if not nastier than Saddam) there are better ways of dealing with the issue.
And of course there does need to be a carrot and a stick, but we have a terrible history of using the stick when we shouldn't and not doing it properly.
Can you really say that the Iraq war hasnt pissed off a lot of muslims in the UK?
Indeed, most Iraqis are probably thinking life under Saddam was heaven on earth compared with what they have now.
In the short term perhaps, but in the medium to long term its unlikely. Iraq, however, painfully is edging towards democracy. The question is do you support the democrats and US/UK or support the Baathists and Islamic militants in there much more murderous activities? I don't find this a difficult moral dilemma.
Eh? Why would Jews blow themselves up in a country that supports the actions of Israel?
You're making less sense than usual dis.
What the fuck?
Is the situation in Iraq today any better?
Of course its pissed of some. Much as like anything we do or don't do pisses people off. Our lack of recogntion for North Cyprus pisses off many in the Turskish community, our previous unwillingness to depose Saddam pissed off many Kurds, our ambivalent attitude towards Kashmir has pissed off many Hindus and Moslems for different reasons.
You cannot please everyone and I don't think its a good idea to aim your foreign policy to appease those who'd let off bombs - otherwise everyone thinks thats the way to influence policy and we'll have bombs going off everywhere from everyone.
Was that really the only option we had before we started?
As I've said before, what we are doing in Iraq isnt working, so either we need to be there in much bigger numbers or leave.
Is it fuck.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5240808.stm
Wait a minute, didnt you say earlier that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism?
I'm not suggesting appeasement, I dont know why you keep saying that. I'm suggesting we use strategies that actually work, rather than just kill loads of people.
If we had put the time, money and troops wasted on Iraq into Aghanistan we would have made a MUCH better impact.
I support the Iraqis governing themselves in any way they see fit and being free from attacks and war.
I don't support the illegal occupation of Iraq or the illegal war that preceeded it. Those responsible for it should be brought to account.
The crux of the matter is, it was completely wrong and counterproductive to go to war, and it has made things worse not better.
.. How many nations, can you think of, which did not come into being with blood on their hands.
I defy you to name ten.
Iceland, Denmark, Isle of Man, Monoco and Fiji
The question of whether Iraq is in a better or worse state for our intervention, I feel, is secondary to how and why did we end up there? If we’re in the business of policing the world then surely Robert Mugabe and Kim Jong Il should also be sheltering in underground bunkers?
But not as comical as the fact that a great many of those who say waging war on Iraq was the right thing because bad old Saddam killed his own people! didn't give much of a shit about them when Saddam was a friend and ally of the West and was shaking hands with US Secretaries of State and buying weapons from H.M. Government.
And I doubt "Bombs on a Plane" will be as good as SNAKES ON A PLANE.
And anyway, it's been done before. Without all this hassle.
But as we know about it isn't it easy to say "no toiletries on the plane, all in luggage" ?
yeh its a bit annoying making out they foiled a plot to blow up planes today, when actually its in the near future - im actually doubtful they should of made the news they foiled it public, and just bought in a couple of changes to hand luggage rules
i dont get why all the plans today are cancelled, since it wasnt meant for today
Yeah, but if you're part of their team, and all your mates get busted, what are you going to do? Bring it forward and get it done before you too get busted.
And planes havent been cancelled for any reason other than the big queues in the airport.
if you've been watching the tv news, they're making out like they stopped a bombing today, they don't say it but the way it's been put together suggests it
They foiled an "alledged" plot.
I do.
To choose between two sets of killers is a difficult one for me.