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Bombs on planes?
BillieTheBot
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So it seems we've had near miss, more people arrested and a plot foiled. I'm certainly happy I'm not planning to fly today.
I'm sure Clan will say its Mossad or similar.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm
I'm sure Clan will say its Mossad or similar.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm
Beep boop. I'm a bot.
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My parents have two flights today though, they're going to be gutted and probably fill their knickers too :nervous:
Im just a little suspicious of all the fuss made of it and for 24 or 48 hours there going to be very closly checking everybody, after that of course there isnt a risk.
I just hope its not another cock up, or gross exageration.
[/tinfoil hat].
Littlejohn couldn't have put it better last week when he wrote that
9/11 happened before Iraq, terrorists don't need excuses; they need to be defeated. This is yet another reminder of how violent and warped fundamentalist Islam is.
There isnt a direct link no. But do you really think our actions in the Middle East have no impact at all? MI5 thought that Iraq would increase the terror threat, they said so before we went.
Perhaps, just perhaps if we didnt keep going round the world and pissing loads of people off we'd have a better standing in the world.
Also Dis, it may not be happening now, but there was a definite Jewish terrorist threat in the past. Its not just Islam that can be dangerous.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20060724.shtml
Like it or not there is a threat out there from radical Islam which is nothing to do with poverty or the UK's action in Iraq* (though both these events have some effect at the margin) and unfortunately there's only a few countries who are willing to stand up and be counted.
*9/11 was conducted by men who were mainly middle class and way before the Iraq or Afghanistan invasions.
If this plot is real (and it appears to be), anyone who thinks there is no relation between Britain's continuing policy on Iraq and Israel and Britain being a target needs their head examined double quick.
Really? So if the next bomb is by a racist group or a homphobic group you'll be demanding an end to immigration and gay rights? Or if its by an extremist Jewish group we should provide more support to Israel? Or if its by an animal rights group we should stop eating meat and end animal expirements? And you'll blame Tony Blair becase he's done none of these things?
what exactly are terrorists trying to do? what is their point?
I don't condone by any means British Muslims killing innocent people, but I'm not surprised in the least some of them want to go down that route. Why wouldn't they, seeing the appalling double standards towards their people and their persecution by our oh-so-fair-and-just government?
I'm not suggesting we 'suck up to dictators' and even if we did I fail to see what that would have to do with terrorism.
What I am suggesting is that we actually have a moral foreign policy like Labour said we would from the start. If someone is doing something wrong we should say so, and in strong terms.
And yes, of course, 11th September was by largely middle class engineering graduates, much like Bin Laden himself. But thats not how the current crop seem to be, they are generally loosers, poor disenfranchised angry young men. I'm just suggesting we do a little to reduce this level of anger.
Doing something simple like saying sorry for Iraq might be an idea.
Like all terrorists they are basically like a 5 year old having a tantrum, we're not doing what they want, so they are going to shout, stamp their feet and kill us till we either all die, or do what they want.
We shouldn't base our foreign policy on what might happen to us. We should do it on what is right and wrong.
But it simply hurts and angers people twice as much that they should be targeted as a result of the completely unnecessary, unsupported and wrong actions of their government.
Which begs the question, why is the government still in power?
(And because it the less of 2 evils answer doesn't cut it)
It changes depending on who you ask, there are a whole host of political reasons, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. etc. where muslims think they are being targeted because they are muslim.
Then of course there is the reason that we are not a very hardline specific sect of Islam like them.
And of course there is the reason that we're all evil.
See? Its all childish rubbish really.
Werent the london bombings because tony blair got re elected?
- the alternative being even more of a US puppet and warmonger than Blair, and quite shambolic in every other department as a potential government
- the Poodle on his way out of office anyway, and nobody expecting Brown to be nearly as willing a slave of the US as his predecessor
Doubtful.
Their anger is a mixture of our involvement in the Middle East and the clash of Western/Islamic ideologies.
Do you know who conducted 9/11 ?
Could you tell me their names ?
What you mean moral as in tying to stop dictators who allow their sons to torture members of the football team after a poor showing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1004174,00.html
Or do you mean moral in supporting a country which has suicide bombs in its bars, buses and resturants killing men, women and children
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1688224.stm
Or overthrowing a regime which tortured people who played cars or watched videos (and had supported a major attack killing over 3000 people in the US)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/30/wtal30.xml
To be honest I'm not sure its an ethical foreign policy you want, but appeasement
Expect warmongers and neocons to claim every single attack past, present and future has nothing to do with their policies though :rolleyes:
No you don't condone, but you blame the Government? It may not be condoning, but its dangerously ambivalent between an elected Government and unelected terrorists.
First and foremost I think you are really presuming my views on Israel - I stated clearly that both sides were to blame for the current conflict and that it was equally vile for both of them to kill civilians.
Anyway - onto the issue at hand.
Iraq - There were far better ways of doing what we wanted, take Libya for example a nasty dictator by any measure but through diplomacy and aid package deals we have got him to partially at least clean up his act.
Afghanistan - I do think we were right to go in, but we have totally failed in our mission because we have wasted time, money and troops on Iraq.
It has nothing to do with appeasement at all, it has to do with picking a strategy that will actually work. Who in their right mind could not see that Iraq was going to be a mistake?!