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I'll admit I understand very little about this, I'm trying to learn more but from what I gather. Israel is not over reacting, she is protecting her self. She is isolated in the middle east and it wants revenge on Hezollah. Israel should not free prisonors as the reason they are prisonors. Israel should carry on with this attack until it's soliders are handed back over safe and sound.
There's so much bias on this subject. Everyone looking and focussing on Israeli actions now but what about Hamas and Hezbollah? Both terrorists organisations in government. Both do not even recognise Israel therefore I refuse to treat them as anything less than a buch of terrorists.
Wow, thanks Aladdin, see now I can actually read the news and maybe get a bit what they mean. I know im stupid sometimes, but I learn a hell of a lot from these forums.
I wouldn't say the killing of 50 innocent men, women and children and the bombing of Beirut neighbourhoods and its airport is a biased opinion. I'd say they are facts. It's up to the reader to consider whether such actions are justified, appropriate or lawful.
I've got some Lebanese friends. They're shitting themselves. The Israeli's are bombing their country and killing civilians. Way to go Israel. Cunts.
Nice to see you have such high regard for human life.
Do you also treat a government that chooses to terrrorise, bomb and kill thousands of innocent civilians as terrorist, or is the Israeli government immune from your judgement?
Maybe fact yes Aladdin but you very rarely point out... for example when a Palestinian blows himself up on a bus in tel Aviv, killing innocents.
Don't you realise how extremely biased that was? It was insupport of an organisation that wants to destroy Israel?
When that happens, I most often comment on it and condemn it.
No it wasn't. Try to read properly eh? :rolleyes:
Of course I don't support innocents being hurt though.
I felt it was extremely biased and you want to make others believe that the Islamists are sweet and the Israelis are bitter.
And yet that is exactly what Israel is doing.
Read the news reports. The immense majority of deaths have been innocent civilians.
And that's because Israel is bombing for the hell of it, as retaliation. The bombings have nothing to do with a military operation designed to free the soldiers. It's to do with blackmailing and applying pressure. And this, the Israeli PM himself has happily admitted several times.
So they're saying "we'll keep killing innnocent people until you release our soldiers".
Only murdering state terrorist scumbags do such things.
Er... no it wasn't. But then, there have always been people out there who are quick to denounce anyone who doesn't give Israel support for anything it wants as "biased".
A good example is the BBC. Pro-zionists actually claim the BBC is biased against Israel (LOL x 94,000,000).
If the Islamists gave a shite about civilians they would hand over the soliders immediately. Israel repeatedly said it's targets are not on civilians. If their targets do his innocents then it was a bad target - but that is war unfortunately. It is a terrible thing war is but in some circumstances is the only way.
It definiately has stances toward the terrorist organisations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4314423.stm Read that... it's not until you get righ to the bottom it informs the reader what the organisation is really about - then again it manages to do it in a few short sentences whereas it uses the rest of the article to show how nice it is.
What chance can there be of any rational debate if you take the words of one side as the unquestionable truth?
Israel has been caught lying a million times before. Like when it said it hadn't shelled those Palestinians enjoying a day out on the beach. Like when it said it hadn't meant to shoot that British peace protester in the head. Etc etc etc.
Of course Israel is targetting civilians. It's using large high explosive bombs that take down entire buildings and kill entire families because it says one 'terrorist' lives there. It bombs villages and kills innocent women and children because it says terrorist might be in hiding 'somehwere' within the village.
It's deliberate murder, pure and simple.
Rubbish. Have you ever seen the BBC calling the Israeli government a rogue regime or accusing it of war crimes and murder?
Right ok.... so are both sides just as bad as each other would you argue?
Remember Palestinians have targetted Israelis civilians and actually claimed they wanted to kill them. Israel doesn't say it intends to kill innocents whereas the terrorists do.
The BBc would have to label the U.S, British, Italian, Danish... governments this too Aladdin to please you.
Doesn't make much difference in my eyes. If anything, it makes the latter a hypocrite and a liar as well as a murderer.
Both sides are responsible for hideous crimes. But I put a far bigger share of the blame on Israel. At the end of the day they are the ones illegally occupying parts of Palestine, Syria and Lebanon for decades. And they are the ones with an unmatched, gigantic military which they use to bomb cities and airports in other nations hundreds of miles away from them.
Isarelis shit them selves on a daily basis because they are surrounded by terrorists who want to destroy them.
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luke ...how many israeli prime ministers were once terrorists?
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israel is ...illegaly occupying another countries land ...it's most fertile and arable land.
do you not expect people to fight to get that land back?
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israel have now destroyed power stations which leave hundreds of thousands of civilians without power ...water ...sewage treatment.
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of course the ...islamists as you like to call them ...want there land back and will kill to get it back.
what would you do?
in fighting israel ...the kidnap of three soldiers is not on a par with the mass death and destruction that israel is inflicing.