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And that's not to say that the only good sex is in a relationship either.
When you have the understanding that comes with love then sex means more, and it makes it more intimate. The intimacy is fulfilling.
But I've had some cracking sex with a one-night stand.
Intimate sex and not-intimate sex are completely different things IMHO. I wouldn't want to lose the intimacy now, but sex with a new person really can be very very good, even if you don't know their name and don't care what it is.
That's what I meant innit!
That implies you think losing your virginty shows a lack of 'personal strength', a sign of weakness, even something to be ashamed of. Don't forget there are many pressures to keep your virginity too.
To be able to have your own mind and ignore these pressures is something to be proud of, but simply the fact your a virgin isn't.
Well if keeping your virginity takes 'personal strength' losing it shows a lack of it surely?
Are you telling me that as part of the God squad you've never felt any pressure to remian a virgin?
Don't be so derisive of my religion.
Moonrat is not a christian, and haven't been one my whole life.
I'll say it again for your benefit, that just because staying a virgin in todays society is a definate demonstration of personal courage and strength DOES NOT mean that losing it means that you lack such qualities.
Why not?
Stil my point stands. Can you honestly tell me that your religion hasn't has some bearing on the fact your still a virgin?
I'm equally as proud that I wasn't pressured by into staying a virgin by religious pressure. That takes inner strength you know.
My religion can't have had any major impact on me still being a virgin until adult hood, because I didn't become a christian until I was 17. More to the point I was talking about MOONRAT who is not, that's not a christian.
Well I think your being a little too sensitive but there you go. What about bible basher, that OK?
So what? Would it affect any decision you made now? I reckon it would.
What's the point in that personal strength if it doesn't reap you any rewards?
I've always considered people who decide to remain a virgin throughout their teenage years to be an unhappy bunch with personal/social problems. Why the puritanicalism?
Oh yeah, and Skive is right. Your religious environment - because you have belief - applies more pressure to remain a virgin than society does to have sex.
A virgin hitting 20 is likely to be unhappy, most definitely.
whats wrong with that?
You might think he's happy, but that really means nothing unless you know him very closely.
i just disagree that your sexual activeness can define how happy you are, if he was unhappy about being a virgin, he'd go out and lose it wouldn't he?
20 year old males who choose not to have sex generally have problems socially, personally and thus are often unhappy. Is he religious?
So are you saying a 20 year old female virgin wouldn't be classed as unhappy etc?
I didn't say your happiness and social status is defined by how many people you've slept with.
But being an 'old' virgin is indicative of unhappyness. I'm not saying every such person is unhappy, but i know virgins of 19/20, all of them deeply unhappy with personal problems. If they 'choose' to wait, that's even more reflective of a general unhappy and highly sensitive person imo. There isn't any real reason, if you aren't religious, to not seek sexual relationship unless your very sensitive, self-conscious and/or lacking evolutionary drive.
For a girl of 15, I can understand why you think keeping your virginity for a long time is admirable...as someone of 20 I see what virgins my own age are like.
not being ready for sex doesn't make you unhappy, if someone wants it to be special but hasn't found the right person to share it with then thats up to them. I certainly don't see the 'unhappiness' in that.
So if they decided one day 'oh fuck im tired of being a virgin' then went out and did with the first person they could would make them an even more unhappy and insecure person than someone who wants to wait in my opinion.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with that.
From your perspective that's probably true, as a 15 y/o girl. That's how you feel. But the majority of 20 y/o virgins out there are unhappy, I've met/known enough of them to understand that. If you aren't having sex at 20 then your relationship potential is also seriously limited, which is only going to make social/personal problems even worse.
Then such a person would appear to have a problem.
why should losing your virginity be such a special moment in time? like almost everyone has sex, its so natural and enjoyable. why should virginity be kept sacred until marriage until you find the 'right' person. who is the right person anyway? most relationships dont even work out!
why build it up so much? i swear its because of religion. have you ever heard those christian preachers in u.s.a about sex before marriage? bloody brainwashers.
Being blunt, a guy of 20 who doesn't want to have sex with attrative women has serious problems. All of the people who i've come across who don't have sex at all by choice have serious personal and social problems. I've noticed their non-sexual behaviour is always accompanied by blatant low self-esteem, feelings of guilt, anxiety and poor social skills. Also they usually run away when I spark a joint up, which is proof of their problems.
Why not? If someone light a cigarette outside or opened a bottle of wine would you run away?
You've just about proved my point.
Do you ever have any fun?