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I think this illustrates one of the central errors of radical left-wing thinking.
The beleif that people will behave differently under different systems, i.e. people from a capitalist system will behave 'badly' whereas I assume this would be contrasted with people living under a communist system who would be 'better'.......
I personally think people would probably act the same whatever sytem they are used to living under, living in a communist system etc wouldn't change the way people are.......
I think this is one of the failings of your knowledge, because history actually shows that people behave differently in different circumstances.
Do you have some good, clear and systematic evidence then that the economic sytem people live under dictates how they behave when that system fails? Or at all in fact?
Most of your posts on this thread have (rightly) asked for evidence of peoples wild assertions concerning immigration etc yet when asked to back up your own assertions you deflect it.
You have done this many times before and it has been pointed out before yet still you continue..........
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Maybe you would care to explain and stop being so lazy.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony
So how would you describe the economic sytem of Spain prior to the revolution/war.
I would assume you would describe it as capitalist. Then howcome they had a socialist culture?
Mostly agricultural, pre-industrial in the country with a mixture of feudalism and power of the Catholic church, beginnings of industrial capitalism in the cities. Its quite complex.
Not really, see above.
History, trade unionism, it wasn't long after the Russian Revolution, these ideas were much more in currency then. Its a bit too complex to go into in detail at the moment, I have to go out soon. Look it up on the net.
You originally claim that economic system = culture = how people behave
But here you say that a anarchist/socailist culture arose out of a non anarchist/socialist economic system...........
2. You state that people in Spain in 1936 behaved as they did because of their culture.
3. You claim that "the economic sytem and culture are intimately tied together" i.e. that capitalist system = capitalist culture
So we have in new Orleans that capitalism = bad behaviour
and in Spain that socialist culture = good behaviour
But the economic system in Spian was not socialist so the source of their culture was not just the economic systme then was it?
So the source of the behaviour in New Orleans cannot also be ascribed to the economic sytem then can it?
No I didn't. Its part of the reason, yes. But its more complex than that, and as I also said, the truth was somewhat distorted in the media.
No I didn't.
No I didn't.
No, didn't say that either.
Nor that.
Look, if you're not going to bother reading what I write, then this is pointless.
For fucks sake.
This doesn't however mean that I'm a strict economic determinist, that is far too simplistic. As I already said - its complex.
He's saying a socialist movement arose as a result of certain influencing factors (like Russian communism). The previous system wasn't socialist, that doesnt mean socialist ideas werent held and being propogated amongst the people.
If the good society of Spain 1936 emerged from different influences than the previous economic system then how does this support that the bad society that arose in New Orleans 2005 was a product of the previous economic system?
Errr...yes it does.
Because, as I already said, anarchist and socialist ideas were very much in currency then, there was a history of trade unionism, the Russian Revolution had just happened, capitalism wasn't that well established etc etc. In contemporary US society, social relations are seen as being very individualistic, the American dream, capitalism, anyone can make it, socialism is evil etc etc, all ideologies that are part of capitalism. Did you read those links I posted?
If you disagree with me, then back your point up.
As usual he's got the whole thing backwards. Thoughts, then actions, not the other way around.
The people of america are individualistic, self reliant, yadda yadda, which is why they are capitalists.
Individualists are obviously going to rape and murder each other first chance they get is what Blagsta seems to be saying. Only those who believe in being part of some huge group are going to respect the rights of other indviduals. :rolleyes:
What I don't quite get is why you think the US isn't a collectivist "country."