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Again, totally lacking in any kind of economic or social analysis.
Basically, you're chatting shit.
Yes, but class has nothing to do with it.
:banghead:
Oh dear
That depends on your definition of class, and how you might look at it.
What is your defintion then?
And even if surplus value is a valid economic phenomenon (which itself is debatable), it alone cannot explain class differences such as behaviour, education and aspirations. Class is bigger than economics.
Yes - and?
Are you suggesting that aspirations are innate?
Yes, and I've tried to ascertain if we are talking about social class or economic class. No one seems to know or indeed care.
What are your definitions of class?
Eh?
I'm trying to define what we are talking about - economic or social class.
Some people seem to be trying to look at social problems and difference without locating their argument in a social and economic context. Which is absurd.
ps I think we were talking about social class rather than economic class.
Different aspirations from who? What do you mean by "working class"?
Do people not have different life aspirations, and are they not related to perceived class?
I think those from less economically advantaged backgrounds (who I will label 'working class') have different aspirations from those of more privileged backgrounds (who I will label 'middle class').
The relation to class is due to many things, amongst which are: upbringing (eg parenting, family values), economic (eg family income, value of money), education (eg schooling, stimulation at home), life aspirations (eg career, family values), external opportunities (eg state services) etc...
What do you think?
You haven't really said much, apart from people can have different views on life depending on their social and economic circumstances. That's hardly big news, is it?
Is class good, bad or indifferent?
Should we as a society be aiming to reduce the working class?
Who would do the work then?
The work that the working class do.......
So there'd be no ruling class, no working class, and no middle class?
Are you a socialist?
with a good education and plenty of dosh your not going to be driving a bus or shovelin shit.
I haven't seen much political debate on this thread yet.
Social class? Economic class? A synthesis of the two? Good for whom? Bad for whom?
Under capitalism?
Not possible under capitalism.