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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've never said that.

    But as has been repeatedly pointed out by dedicated bloggers (honestreporting.co.uk, biased BBC, etc) there have been consistent instances of photographs being staged (or even doctored) to reflect badly upon Israel.
    Why go to such lenghts when undoctored images show Israel in exactly the light it deserves?

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    And that with the one-sided coverage of the BBC which is well documented
    Yeah... well documented by zionists.

    There is also well documented anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bias in the BBC... documented by Arabs and Muslims funnily enough.
    It's unsurprising that somebody such as yourself who passionately hates the State of Israel
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    Israel has long lost the propaganda war in Europe
    Funny that. I wonder why that could be.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dear Wendy wrote:
    Some good news is that it was recently reported (a week or two ago) that a clear majority of the Danes support Israel in the current war :)

    That's refreshing and welcome news. While Britain has generally at the UN abstained on anti-Israel resolutions and in Europe, Britain with allies like Germany and Denmark has opposed the French/Arab line - I can't help but feel concerned at public hostility to Israel and the strength of the anti-Israel lobby here. Even if Tony Blair has got the right idea a lot of Brits don't. The main problem is the vast majority of people, here at least know absolutely nothing about Israel. The extraordinarily powerful BBC consequently has a massive role in shaping public opinion - and its journalists have been routinely abusing their power to implement their own agenda.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Obviously Dis has just received his Hitler Youth card renewal form in the post and is anxious to demonstrate how deeply indoctrinated with bigotted oversight of ethnocide he can be.

    So young and so sadly entrenched in extremist ideological dogma and excuses.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Obviously Dis has just received his Hitler Youth card
    Do you mind toning down the hostility? It's offensive.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's refreshing and welcome news. While Britain has generally at the UN abstained on anti-Israel resolutions and in Europe
    For 'anti-Israeli', read "anything that dares raise objections to Israel doing what the fuck it wants".

    Change the record already Disillusioned. We are all Jew-hating nazis in Europe apparently. Yawn.
    I can't help but feel concerned at public hostility to Israel and the strength of the anti-Israel lobby here.
    Here and in most places around the world. Though it is not 'anti Israeli'. It's anti Israeli government & anti murder and war crimes. Two entirely different things altogether.
    Even if Tony Blair has got the right idea a lot of Brits don't. The main problem is the vast majority of people, here at least know absolutely nothing about Israel.
    They know as much as they knew of, say, Nazi Germany.

    So I guess no Brit should ever be critical of the Third Reich, for instance. They weren't there at the time.

    Or so your logic goes.
    The extraordinarily powerful BBC consequently has a massive role in shaping public opinion
    Yes, by showing (occasionally and not by any means fully) the truth about Israeli war crimes.

    How dare they!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you mind toning down the hostility? It's offensive.

    Calling a spade a spade, my dear. Apology for indiscriminate mass slaughter of innocent civilians as well as your own treatment of the matter as if it was some sort of team sport for which you cheer an alleged Dane majority support (all whilst hundreds of women and children and hundreds of thousands of families have been purposely slaughtered and driven into refugee status by your "team") is what is truly offensive.

    I truly pity the both of you for your rabidity and bigotry and failure to recognise the continuity of ideological intent between the actions and rhetoric of Israel and those of the Nazis themselves in their day.

    Anne Coulter might indeed be proud of you both but rational, consistently principled minds can only wonder at the depth of propaganda in which you both are clearly immersed.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    an apparently respected media outlet such as Reuters

    You trust it? :o

    Israel is getting everything it deserves. Perhaps it will learn its lesson... although the past has shown it not to do so. Several times over.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Calling a spade a spade, my dear.
    First of all, you wish I was your dear :)
    Second of all, how is claiming that Disillusioned got his renewal of a Hitler Jugend memebership card calling a spade a spade? You're drawing analogies that you know are hurtful, and neither are they helping your cause as it makes people less likely to give any credibility to what you write here.
    You'll probably say that you don't care whether people give a shit about what you write or not, but if so, why go personal and why write here in the first place?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dear Wendy wrote:
    Do you mind toning down the hostility? It's offensive.

    "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

    Ex-Israeli PM Menachem Begin.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Dis isn't a Nazi... otherwise he would hate Israel.

    There, I ended it. Thankyou.

    Onwards: Israel still attacking UN workers. Bastards.... it's the UN, not Hezbollah.

    "PLA conducts rescues mission in Southern Lebanon with 1 KIA and 3 WIA so far."
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    That's only the PLA.

    Four UN observers are dead already. It's a wonder people put up with this. If I were the UN... I'd be installing some serious sanctions on Israel. They have shown they are targeting the UN as well... 10 times... asked to stop firing.

    Will the slaughter end? Not until someone gets rid of the Israeli government. Fast please.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Israel has long lost the propaganda war in Europe; in the BBC, the Foreign Office the liberal elite has successfully implemented their anti-Israel agenda.

    Why, then, are the "liberal elite" not coming out and demanding immediate withdrawal from Lebanon? Why are the "liberal elite" continuing to support Israel directly and indirectly through support of the US - Israel's financial & arms supplier - after decades of violating international law?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

    Ex-Israeli PM Menachem Begin.

    I would be interested to see a credible source for that quote. I'm not really a fan of David Icke or the other fruitcakes that come up on Google for that quote.

    And er anyway what's the purpose of that post? How is it relevant to the present discussion? Are you saying Israelis or Jews in general believe they are the 'master race'? :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would be interested to see a credible source for that quote. I'm not really a fan of David Icke or the other fruitcakes that come up on Google for that quote.

    And er anyway what's the purpose of that post? How is it relevant to the present discussion? Are you saying Israelis or Jews in general believe they are the 'master race'? :confused:

    I can't find the context of the quote either. Only questionable sources. Will try and see if I can find it in Hebrew.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin, I'm loving these pictures you post on here in a deliberate attempt to show that Israel is a very bad guy and that hezbollah are not as bad as Israel make out.

    Hezbollah is hiding their weapans in civilian areas, Hezbollah hides in civilian areas. Israel is there to attack the organisation that is out there to finish them off. Don't forget Hezbollah does not recognise Israel, has a hatred toward Jews and westerners and anything that is not Islamic. It dispises democracy too. You're a fool to side with them - so it seems anyway.

    Civilians dies in war unfortunately, accept it. Loss of life is sad of course it is but it's inevitable in a war. If hezbollah really cares about the Lebanoneese population it would pull out of the country and disarm immediately. However, it's agenda is to wipe Israel off the map and install Islamic law.

    What hezbollah is really doing is using the media to their own advantage and people like Aladdin fail to see that the media is hezbollah's secret weapan. It uses the media to portray Israel as the bad guy.
    It hides in civlian populations, knowing Israel will attack them, where ever they are, Israel bombs, civilians die... oh Israel is the terrorist.
    But Israel is defending them selves, while Hezbollah is directly targeting civlians, their 'own' people. Hezbollah has the intension to kill innocents, where as Israel has the intension to kill the terrorists only.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Dis isn't a Nazi... otherwise he would hate Israel.

    There, I ended it. Thankyou.

    Onwards: Israel still attacking UN workers. Bastards.... it's the UN, not Hezbollah.

    "PLA conducts rescues mission in Southern Lebanon with 1 KIA and 3 WIA so far."
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    That's only the PLA.

    Four UN observers are dead already. It's a wonder people put up with this. If I were the UN... I'd be installing some serious sanctions on Israel. They have shown they are targeting the UN as well... 10 times... asked to stop firing.

    Will the slaughter end? Not until someone gets rid of the Israeli government. Fast please.
    Another winner for Hezbollah here. They're hiding behinde the UN now. They are sick!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Are you saying Israelis or Jews in general believe they are the 'master race'? :confused:

    In a lot of cases, yes. Especially non-secular Jews.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gerb, there are documented accounts of Nazi assistance in transporting Jewish citizens to Palestine. Youll also find documented record of collusion between Nazi authorities and the Zionist elite of Germany of that era (including the fact that the German Zionist press was one of the only non-state media sources allowed to continue printing for its open support for the regime).

    That notwithstanding my comments refer to similarity of principle as spliffie has rightly demonstrated. Zionism, Apartheid and Naziis are all consistently akin in principle to one another for their funadamental notions of "racial" exceptionalism and group superiority. Zionism is as much an affront to true Judaic principle and belief as it is to basic concepts of human justice and pluralistic democracy.

    If there be any here who demonstrate an ongoing ignorance of the true nature of the state of Israel and its institutionalised racist, militant, ethnocidal agenda, it is our resident naive apologists.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dear Wendy wrote:
    I can't find the context of the quote either. Only questionable sources. Will try and see if I can find it in Hebrew.

    You will definitely find other quotes which are more easily verified from Begin, describing palestinians as "two-legged beasts" and such like.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    luke88 wrote:
    Another winner for Hezbollah here. They're hiding behinde the UN now. They are sick!

    I can't believe you can blame Hezbollah for the Israeli DELIBERATE killing of the UN.

    Sick.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Gerb, there are documented accounts of Nazi assistance in transporting Jewish citizens to Palestine. Youll also find documented record of collusion between Nazi authorities and the Zionist elite of Germany of that era (including the fact that the German Zionist press was one of the only non-state media sources allowed to continue printing for its open support for the regime).

    That notwithstanding my comments refer to similarity of principle as spliffie has rightly demonstrated. Zionism, Apartheid and Naziis are all consistently akin in principle to one another for their funadamental notions of "racial" exceptionalism and group superiority. Zionism is as much an affront to true Judaic principle and belief as it is to basic concepts of human justice and pluralistic democracy.

    If there be any here who demonstrate an ongoing ignorance of the true nature of the state of Israel and its institutionalised racist, militant, ethnocidal agenda, it is our resident naive apologists.

    My dear man, I am well aware of much Jewish-Nazi co-opperation. However, it was not the average Jew on the street - it was incredibly well-off wealthy Jews who bought immunity from Nazi persecution, and indeed, funded the Party and used it for thier own means.

    As for the transport to Palestine - better out the country than in, was the Nazi approach. Much like Stalin supporting Israels creation, so he could send Soviet Jews abroad.

    The hate of Jews often results in perverse solutions to problems - none more so, sadly, than the genocide of WW2.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    In a lot of cases, yes. Especially non-secular Jews.

    Utter bollocks. But then unsurprising from someone like you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Much like Stalin supporting Israels creation, so he could send Soviet Jews abroad.

    Stalin supported the creation of Israel because he thought it would be a socialist state and quicken British decline in the region. I don't think it was that strongly connected to his anti-Semitic views. And a fairly big factor in Stalin's anti-Semitism was his paranoia of the many Jews in America whose families had fled tsarist Russia due to their appalling treatment under the reigns of Alexander III and Nicholas II.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Obviously Dis has just received his Hitler Youth card renewal form in the post and is anxious to demonstrate how deeply indoctrinated with bigotted oversight of ethnocide he can be.

    So young and so sadly entrenched in extremist ideological dogma and excuses.
    And after 25 pages Clandestine invokes Godwins Law.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Stalin supported the creation of Israel because he thought it would be a socialist state and quicken British decline in the region. I don't think it was that strongly connected to his anti-Semitic views. And a fairly big factor in Stalin's anti-Semitism was his paranoia of the many Jews in America whose families had fled tsarist Russia due to their appalling treatment under the reigns of Alexander III and Nicholas II.

    Which was why he was planning a Holocaust I suppose.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Which was why he was planning a Holocaust I suppose.

    Stalin was mad. The doctors' plot was one of his greatest instances of paranoia. I don't know much about the planned Second Holocaust but I don't think there's total agreement on the evidence. Anyway, Stalin was indeed an anti-Semite as well as an evil and bloodthirsty dictator.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gerb, I did quite clearly specify Zionist elite in my critique.

    And NQA I would suggest you bother reading carefully what you toss out so blithely in Matadore dismissal fashion.
    Godwin's Law does not dispute whether, in a particular instance, a reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be apt. It is precisely because such a reference or comparison may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin argues in his book, Cyber Rights: Defending Free Speech in the Digital Age, that hyperbolic overuse of the Hitler/Nazi comparison should be avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

    Obviously for all your claimed intelligence and education you are utterly devoid of rational capability when it comes to consistency of principle, let alone comprehension of the nature and contextual kinship between the aforementioned late 19th/early 20th Century colonialist exceptionalist ideological movements.

    Again nothing new from the resident ethnocidal apologist camp.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And NQA I would suggest you bother reading carefully what you toss out so blithely in Matadore dismissal fashion.



    Obviously for all your claimed intelligence and education you are utterly devoid of rational capability when it comes to consistency of principle, let alone comprehension of the nature and contextual kinship between the aforementioned late 19th/early 20th Century colonialist exceptionalist ideological movements.

    Again nothing new from the resident ethnocidal apologist camp.

    Except its not an apt comparison. Comapring some one to a Nazi for defending Israel has fuck all to do with non-existent similarities and more to do with an attempt to belittle those you disagree with.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Obviously you also suffer from reading comprehension problems NQA. I suggest you reread what is actually written and not whatever delusional apolofetic fantasy you wish to read into my posts.

    I also suggest you, for once, actually go and research the fundamental beliefs and historic actions of the Zionist movement from its founders through to the present day and perhaps you might finally gain some insight beyond your routine self-deluded denials of apt comparison of principle. For your benefit I shall repeat the fundamental ideological comparative: notions of "racial" distinction, group exceptionalism and group superiority.

    I won't hold my breath waiting for you to exercise any intellectual honesty though, its clear you've little interest in the effort.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Clan, I used to laugh at your posts but now I just find them boring. I cannot recall any recent instances of you addressing the points of somebody's post. Instead, you whine on about intellectual honesty and other assets you lack yourself. And using Nazi as a cheap insult is playground childishness one would not expect from a self-proclaimed academic like yourself. (Of course two can play that game and some of us know that you're really just a very sad middle aged man who gets his kicks talking down to people over the internet, trying to indoctrinate young people - and sometimes talking dirty to teenagers. ;) )
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    Aladdin, I'm loving these pictures you post on here in a deliberate attempt to show that Israel is a very bad guy and that hezbollah are not as bad as Israel make out.
    Somehow I'm not surprised that you love pictures of entire neighbourhoods being destroyed and the bodies of children being lined up.
    Hezbollah is hiding their weapans in civilian areas
    Bullshit.
    Hezbollah hides in civilian areas.
    Bullshit.
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