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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    I have a problem with young men being told that if they don't sleep around then they are not as masculine as someone who does.

    I have a problem with young women then being pressurised into doing this because if they don't they are frigid losers.

    Don't try and pretend that that doesn't happen, because you damn well know it does.

    Sure, it happens. Liberalise sexual ethics and guys will boast about their conquests - nothing that can be done about that, other than return to "traditional values"...which is not going to happen.
    And why is it "bizarre" to not think that recreational sex is a good thing that can only do wonders for the health of young people? I'm genuinely interested in how your brain jumps to such ridiculous conclusions.

    I'm more interested in how your brain interprets my previous post to claim recreational sex can only do wonders for your health, tbh.

    As for groping in a clubs i don't think it's worthy of prosecution as a rule and as for "hollering abuse", you're talking shit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:

    What's your point caller?


    dont just blame lads mags for all of societies problems, they just sum up immaturity imo

    not that theres anything wrong in a bit of silly fun :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    I have a problem with young men being told that if they don't sleep around then they are not as masculine as someone who does. I have a problem with young women then being pressurised into doing this because if they don't they are frigid losers. Don't try and pretend that that doesn't happen, because you damn well know it does.
    This site certainly isn't immune. No, I'm not talking about TheSite.org as an organisation, but rather some of the members on here. They know who they are. I remember I made a few posts in the past defending those who chose not to jump into bed with every person they met. I was ridiculed and treated quite disgracefully by one member in particular, yet took heart in the PMs I got from people who backed what I was saying.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    This site certainly isn't immune. No, I'm not talking about TheSite.org as an organisation, but rather some of the members on here. They know who they are. I remember I made a few posts in the past defending those who chose not to jump into bed with every person they met. I was ridiculed and treated quite disgracefully by one member in particular, yet took heart in the PMs I got from people who backed what I was saying.

    Come on, name and shame!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    Come on, name and shame!
    Not now. All I'm saying is that it's a message I've seen being spread on the boards before.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    Sure, it happens. Liberalise sexual ethics and guys will boast about their conquests - nothing that can be done about that, other than return to "traditional values"...which is not going to happen.

    It's possible to be liberal about sex and not have the attitude that notches on bedposts equates to masculinity.

    Other countries manage it fine.
    I'm more interested in how your brain interprets my previous post to claim recreational sex can only do wonders for your health, tbh.

    You're always in such a rush to say that people who don't sleep around are socially inadequate, which I believe is the EXACT phrase you used in the sex forum- the emphasis being, of course, that real men shag around and if they don't there's something wrong with them.
    As for groping in a clubs i don't think it's worthy of prosecution as a rule and as for "hollering abuse", you're talking shit.

    That's not what you said before, you basically said that, well, some girls like it so there's nothing wrong with it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    Sure, it happens. Liberalise sexual ethics and guys will boast about their conquests - nothing that can be done about that, other than return to "traditional values"...which is not going to happen.

    It's possible to be liberal about sex and not have the attitude that notches on bedposts equates to masculinity.

    Other countries manage it fine.
    I'm more interested in how your brain interprets my previous post to claim recreational sex can only do wonders for your health, tbh.

    You're always in such a rush to say that people who don't sleep around are socially inadequate, which I believe is the EXACT phrase you used in the sex forum- the emphasis being, of course, that real men shag around and if they don't there's something wrong with them.
    As for groping in a clubs i don't think it's worthy of prosecution as a rule and as for "hollering abuse", you're talking shit.

    That's not what you said before, you basically said that, well, some girls like it so there's nothing wrong with it.
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    Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    Kermit wrote:
    It's possible to be liberal about sex and not have the attitude that notches on bedposts equates to masculinity.

    Other countries manage it fine.
    Really? :confused: I haven't heard of any, unless I misunderstood what you're talking about. (Not being sarcastic)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Really? :confused: I haven't heard of any, unless I misunderstood what you're talking about. (Not being sarcastic)


    yeh, i feel quite mauscline and are proud to admit my only notch is my very lovely girlfriend :D
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    Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    yeh, i feel quite mauscline and are proud to admit my only notch is my very lovely girlfriend :D
    My question was about the "other countries have managed it" tbh. I don't know of any such countries.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My question was about the "other countries have managed it" tbh. I don't know of any such countries.

    i think im well within my rights to be able to crack one off to the sight of sexy and barely clad women

    and if it means i have to reach up an extra shelf, hey it could be worse, i mean i could actually be buying real porn, that comes in at incredibly more than the couple of quid i spend on zoo
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote:
    i think im well within my rights to be able to crack one off to the sight of sexy and barely clad women

    and if it means i have to reach up an extra shelf, hey it could be worse, i mean i could actually be buying real porn, that comes in at incredibly more than the couple of quid i spend on zoo


    exactly
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    It's possible to be liberal about sex and not have the attitude that notches on bedposts equates to masculinity.

    It's not. Men will always boast about their conquests - just as people will boast about anything they have going for them. To think otherwise is just neive.
    Other countries manage it fine.

    Yeah, right. :rolleyes:
    You're always in such a rush to say that people who don't sleep around are socially inadequate, which I believe is the EXACT phrase you used in the sex forum- the emphasis being, of course, that real men shag around and if they don't there's something wrong with them.

    You're probably referring to something i said about people in who abstain from sex completely after a certain age - that personal issues are often a factor. That's pretty much evident from observation.
    That's not what you said before, you basically said that, well, some girls like it so there's nothing wrong with it.

    Having people whistle at them? Yeah, sure...of course plenty of girls like it. There's a line between that and leud abuse though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    It's not. Men will always boast about their conquests - just as people will boast about anything they have going for them. To think otherwise is just neive.


    You're making the mistake of assuming that what happens in our culture is somehow "natural".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote:
    and if it means i have to reach up an extra shelf, hey it could be worse, i mean i could actually be buying real porn, that comes in at incredibly more than the couple of quid i spend on zoo
    Do people actually still pay for porn? Can't say I've ever spent a penny on the stuff in my life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You're making the mistake of assuming that what happens in our culture is somehow "natural".

    Some is, some isn't. Men wanting to shag lots of women clearly is - although it's no surprise you'd disagree, what with your agenda an' all.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm wondering what you base your opinions on? Anthropological studies?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    P.S.
    What is "my agenda" btw?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The idea of moving lad’s mags from one shelf to another in order to protect the fragile minds of kids from becoming objectifying monsters, is utterly ludicrous. Other than making the magazines more attractive to youngsters as well as forcing them reach up amongst proper porn to get to them, I can’t see what on earth is going to be achieved by taking this measure.

    Moreover, if you got a lot of spare time and energy to expend on Mary Whitehouse-esque crusades, slaying filth and smut at every turn, then at least have a target in your sights that’s going to make a difference. Also, while we’re immersing ourselves in the world of the ridiculous we might start by banning all soaps, reality shows, political parties, informative leaflets, alcohol (or anything else you can think of that might expose your kids to a way of life you don’t agree / approve of) for presenting a skewed version of the world (as you see it) to them. God forbid we let people alone to make decisions for themselves!

    Let’s get real here people. If you genuinely think these magazines are a negative in the world and that increasing the height they reside at is going to make a blind bit of difference to anything, then you’ve also got start waving your censorship stick and plenty of other things as well. I propose we start by only letting BNP members campaign during schools hours so that kids aren’t exposed to them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    *Stacey* wrote:
    Whenever I glance through that magazine (as my flat mates always buy it and for some lame reason, I read them when she leaves them around) I end up feeling bad about myself.


    Sounds like you've got self esteem issues which I don't think has anything to do with the magazines ... I've only seen a few pics of you but I'd say you were certainly prettier then the average girl

    And also people don't look the same in magazines as they do in real life and I've stood 3 feet away from Jodie Marsh and had Gerie Haliwell's arm on my shoulder so I've got some reference points!!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagy, your such a bizarre and bitter little man aren't you? Awwww bless ya little cottons though, you do try.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Makoto wrote:
    Blagy, your such a bizarre and bitter little man aren't you? Awwww bless ya little cottons though, you do try.

    Whether or not that's true, it's a step up from being dense.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know, I dunno how you cope tbh. Poor you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i'm more worried about sexy music videos like the latest pussycat dolls video. It's sad when young girls think that they need to look/act sexy when they're at an age they shouldn't be worrying about their appearance!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And also people don't look the same in magazines as they do in real life and I've stood 3 feet away from Jodie Marsh and had Gerie Haliwell's arm on my shoulder so I've got some reference points!!
    I don't think anyone thought that either of those were particularly attractive in print tbh though. But I know what you're saying. If you go out on a saturday night, you'll see plenty of girls who are equally or more attractive than those in mens magazines. I've got quite a few friends who are easily more attractive than the likes of the Pussycat Dolls or Jordan.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    It's not. Men will always boast about their conquests - just as people will boast about anything they have going for them. To think otherwise is just neive.

    And why do people think that it is something "going for them"?

    It wouldn't have anything to do with the media glamourising the idea of the stud, saying that notches = manliness, would it?

    These magazines are damaging because of the way they portray women and sexual relationships. It isn't because they are "smut", as CoatHanger seems to be arguing. I am not against them because they show women with no clothes on, I am against them because of how they then go on to portray women as inferior if they don't look as good or if they don't get their baps out for the lads as well.

    They portray women as something to be consumed, as they portray women as just another consumer luxury. If you're not having the right sex with the right woman then you're a failure as a man- is that something that you want young men learning when they are at their most vulnerable to peer pressure? It's what these magazines are telling 14 year old boys now. It's no wonder male depression is going through the roof.

    It isn't prudishness that makes me feel that lads mags portray a damaging and unhealthy view of life, people and sexual relationships. It isn't even part of a feminist agenda to think that, as men get damaged by this just as much as women do.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    They portray women as something to be consumed, as they portray women as just another consumer luxury. If you're not having the right sex with the right woman then you're a failure as a man- is that something that you want young men learning when they are at their most vulnerable to peer pressure? It's what these magazines are telling 14 year old boys now. It's no wonder male depression is going through the roof.

    I completely disagree with what you're saying there - I've been reading FHM since the 'For Him Magazine" days and more recently, Nuts and there's nothing wrong with my attitude towards women - or if there is, not one woman I have been around or worked with has sought to bring it to my or my superior's attention.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    And why do people think that it is something "going for them"?

    It wouldn't have anything to do with the media glamourising the idea of the stud, saying that notches = manliness, would it?

    These magazines are damaging because of the way they portray women and sexual relationships. It isn't because they are "smut", as CoatHanger seems to be arguing. I am not against them because they show women with no clothes on, I am against them because of how they then go on to portray women as inferior if they don't look as good or if they don't get their baps out for the lads as well.

    They portray women as something to be consumed, as they portray women as just another consumer luxury. If you're not having the right sex with the right woman then you're a failure as a man- is that something that you want young men learning when they are at their most vulnerable to peer pressure? It's what these magazines are telling 14 year old boys now. It's no wonder male depression is going through the roof.

    It isn't prudishness that makes me feel that lads mags portray a damaging and unhealthy view of life, people and sexual relationships. It isn't even part of a feminist agenda to think that, as men get damaged by this just as much as women do.

    Sounds like you're trying to blame your own failure with women earlier in life on on the crudeness of commercial lad culture - which, really, is nothing more than a crude parody of the male mindset.

    Men will always aspire to getting good looking women and men will always regard their partners as a measure of their success in life - with or without FHM.

    Blagsta - I read a lot about gender issues, feminist and anti-feminist. Your agenda is opposition to notions of pre-set instincts or natural inclinations to certain behaviour in favour of pure cultural determinism. Highly foolish imo.
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