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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't really see a problem with them tbh. It's good to sit down sometimes and read a lads mag, doesn't mean I'm some oaf who can't add 2 plus 2.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But what about the short people who can't reach the top shelves?!! I know I'd be embarrased to ask for a sales assistant to reach me a copy of whatever. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    your-babe wrote:
    But what about the short people who can't reach the top shelves?!! I know I'd be embarrased to ask for a sales assistant to reach me a copy of whatever. :)

    Ask a taller person?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whatever people think of the content, the arguement that putting lads mags on the top shelf will protect kids is utter bollocks. Primarily it'll just make them more appealing to youngsters and secondly who really gives a fuck? It's just some prudish labour back bencher who really should be concerning herself with proper politics and not trying to make the headlines.

    She probably just needs a good shag, or at least that's what FHM tells me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sophia wrote:
    I do find it interesting how normal and mainstream images of tits and ass have become, such that if someone says speaks out against it then they are automatically a prudish, outdated old fuddy duddy.

    I'm not saying I think lads' mags should be on the top shelf, but I think there is some merit in talking about whether popular culture is oversexualised and is basically becoming "porno-ised".

    I occasionally read FHM as a young lad and it never warped my fragil little mind. I don't drag my kunckles, pinch arses or make lude builder-esque comments. I'm also capable of looking at my girlfriend as a person and not just a pair of tits.

    "You know what causes sexual thoughts? I'm gonna clear the air for you tonight. I'm gonna end this debate, hopefully once and for all while on this planet, 'cause outer space awaits our presence, we are better and more unique creatures than this and all eternity is our playground, so let me go ahead and clear this one issue up once and for all and let's move on to real issues.

    Here's what causes sexual thoughts: Having a dick."     - RIP Bill
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "Mrs Curtis-Thomas presented her Regulation of Sale and Display of Sexually Explicit Material Bill in the Commons, stressing that many of the publications she was concerned about contained "hard-core porn", numbers for "sex chatlines" and adverts for masseurs."

    Oh dear, that would include my local papers too then, which have numbers in for sex chatlines etc. Is there any evidence that children are buying these magazines?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Even if kids are buying these magasines by the fistful, who gives a shit? Once you take your head out of the magasine and look around you, you see the world aint like that. If you think it is then you've got bigger problems than a subscription to Maxim.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sophia wrote:
    I'm not saying I think lads' mags should be on the top shelf, but I think there is some merit in talking about whether popular culture is oversexualised and is basically becoming "porno-ised".
    Apparently sex itself is becoming porno-ised because no-one can think of their own stuff to say/do, so they just go for the cliches.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sophia wrote:
    I'm sure that's true.

    I find that pretty sad, as porn seems to me to be a pretty poor imitation of real sexuality and sexual activity, so the fact that we're all just imitating something that's completely phoney in the first place is a bit depressing.

    I think you're muddying the waters here. Pornography is ones thing, lads mags are another and real life is something quite different altogether.

    If you're incapable for having sexual relations with your partner without resorting to cheesy porn-esque lines, then a lack of emotion and thought are more likely your problem than your penchant for porn.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sophia wrote:
    The whole point is that the waters are muddy. The boundaries between porn and mainstream culture are extremely blurred, because there's sexaul imagery literally everywhere you look, teenage girls are wearing jewellery and buying pencil cases with the playboy bunny on it, music videos are becoming raunchier and raunchier all the time. It's not really an accurate description of reality to say, porn is one thing, separate from the rest of the culture, because it appears to be seeping into all aspects of cultural life.

    Of course we would imitate porn in our sex lives - sexual behaviour is, to a large extent, learned - but the sad thing is that the sex that porn depicts is so phoney and so far removed from the majority of people's lives, and yet we're copying that and trying to recreate it.
    i've seen primary school girls with playboy pencil cases and t-shirts!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lads mags are meant for people 18-24 that are interested in jokes, gadgets, sports, music, movies, various articles, sex, woman and taking the piss etc. A lot of people that age are into this stuff so they like to read about it. If you got some 14 year old lads reading these mags then it's not the publishers fault, it's the parents fault for allowing their youngsters to read such mags, their aimed at the above age groups for a reason.

    If you don't like these mags then the answer is simple, fuck off and go day dream about your perfect little house with a perfect little white picket fence where everyone lives happily ever after. Failing that, ignore it and stop being such snobs, there is more to life than having to worry about some some article about shaggin' woman.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i feel that if they are going to have lad mags they should have one for us girlies (not with cleb gossip) but with naked men.....Yummy
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you read lads mags? Then you are a "callous ape-like subhuman brute", according to this lot

    Fucking nice innit?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's obviously tongue-in-cheek, you can tell by the context.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sophia wrote:
    The whole point is that the waters are muddy. The boundaries between porn and mainstream culture are extremely blurred, because there's sexaul imagery literally everywhere you look, teenage girls are wearing jewellery and buying pencil cases with the playboy bunny on it, music videos are becoming raunchier and raunchier all the time. It's not really an accurate description of reality to say, porn is one thing, separate from the rest of the culture, because it appears to be seeping into all aspects of cultural life.

    Of course we would imitate porn in our sex lives - sexual behaviour is, to a large extent, learned - but the sad thing is that the sex that porn depicts is so phoney and so far removed from the majority of people's lives, and yet we're copying that and trying to recreate it.

    I'm not saying porn is separate from culture, that would be ridiculous and wrong. It is, however, distinctly separate from what is presented in lads mags. I'm also not denying that pornography portrays the mechanics of sex, because it does. I just think that anyone who believes a 14 year old lad isn't already walking around with a permanent hard-on almost entirely thinking about sex, is sadly mistaken.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    just to add, if you do a voting record check she is basically a government clone ie she votes with the government for everything and thus has the ideology of 'i hope i become a minister'

    useless private members bill, sh wanted yet another fucking quango
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Makoto wrote:
    Lads mags are meant for people 18-24 that are interested in jokes, gadgets, sports, music, movies, various articles, sex, woman and taking the piss etc. A lot of people that age are into this stuff so they like to read about it. If you got some 14 year old lads reading these mags then it's not the publishers fault, it's the parents fault for allowing their youngsters to read such mags, their aimed at the above age groups for a reason.

    If you don't like these mags then the answer is simple, fuck off and go day dream about your perfect little house with a perfect little white picket fence where everyone lives happily ever after. Failing that, ignore it and stop being such snobs, there is more to life than having to worry about some some article about shaggin' woman.


    14 year olds boys interests: breasts football
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    CptCoatHanger wrote:
    I just think that anyone who believes a 14 year old lad isn't already walking around with a permanent hard-on almost entirely thinking about sex, is sadly mistaken.

    But that isn't the point. It is human to want to admire some nice scenery.

    The point is that these lads mags market sex and sexuality as just another consumer item- just like you have to have the right watch, you've got to have the right bird, and anyone who doesn't have the right bird is a sexual and social failure.

    They create and reinforce completely unrealistic ideas about what sex and relationships are about- they reinforce the use em and lose em attitude, they reinforce the attitude that women are just another consumer item to be tossed away when they're done. Lads mags- intentionally or otherwise- reinforce all the negative images we have about women and sex.

    That is the real issue here. It is not about whether poor little Bloggins will get corrupted by seeing a nipple. The issue is about what Bloggins learns about how to treat women whilst he's spunking off to some lass out of Hollyoaks- and with the current media, he's learning that women have as much role in his life as a sports car or decent trainers.

    Men do not suffer from this anywhere near as much as women do. Yes, men are portrayed in certain ways, and the ideal of the skinny muscle-bound man with the big dick is just as damaging as the ideal of the skinny woman with the big tits. But the male image is not as prevalent as the female image.

    The important thing to remember is that men DO suffer just as much as women because of how the "lads" media portrays sex and sexuality. Men are being groomed into being dissatisfied adults, consuming away, trying to get what they think is their ideal, their right. Women might well get the abuse from it, but men don't exactly get out of it scot-free, with damaged attitudes to sex that can only leave them unfulfilled and unhappy.

    And why would they be unfulfilled and unhappy? Because content and fulfilled people don't consume so much.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    wheresmyplacebo wrote:
    14 year olds boys interests: breasts football

    That's a rather sweeping generalisation.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    'Lads mags' like page3 that there seems to be the odd campaign against are harmless.

    Busybody Clare Short led a campaign a few years ago against page3 - funny how she ignored the fact that her wages are partly paid for by those awfully well paid page3 girls paying a fortune in taxes...Now Claire Curtis-Thomas has launched a crusade against 'lads mags.' Clare Short, Claire Curtis-Thomas...someone on the radio said it's funny how it's always the ugly women MPs. Harsh but true I think.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Disillusioned wrote:
    someone on the radio said it's funny how it's always the ugly women MPs. Harsh but true I think.

    wanker
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No more disrespectful than the comment Jonathan Ross made about Mrs. Thatcher and the response to it of some people...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    perhaps i should read the rest of the thread first but what about tall younger people?! they'll still be able to see the 'top shelf' magazines. perhaps if they are going to be so grannyfied and want the 'pornographic' magazines restricted then they should enforce age restrictions on them. but then pictures of women not wearing much are readily available in other ways..eg friends magazines or on the internet.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    dis

    Who gives a fuck about Jonathon Ross? I'm calling you a wanker for being such a nasty sexist little shit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Who gives a fuck about Jonathon Ross? I'm calling you a wanker for being such a nasty sexist little shit.

    I'm not sexist.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its exactly that sort of comment from disillusioned that illustrates perfectly the still glaring disparity in power and status between men and women in this society. If a woman objects to women being portrayed as sex objects for the benefit of feeble teenage boys, it must be because she's ugly (or worse, "gagging for it" or maybe even "frigid").
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Disillusioned wrote:
    I'm not sexist.

    Your attitude on this thread would suggest otherwise.
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