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goodbye to the britain we know and love
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4856074.stm
ID cards will come in, wont be compulsory until 2010, but the data will be by 2008
im moving away and setting up an organisation to stop it
just how do we stop it?
ID cards will come in, wont be compulsory until 2010, but the data will be by 2008
im moving away and setting up an organisation to stop it
just how do we stop it?
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So far I've got that it will be tough on asylum seekers. Because you won't be able to do ANYTHING without one of those cards.
Spain had ID cards remember.
do you even know what an asylum seeker is? they have the legal right to behave as a uk citizen until their refugee claim is sorted out
and illegal immigrants strangely find housing and work already, what makes you think the slavedrivers will register
Alright, no need to laugh. I did say that I didn't have a clue.
sorry im nervously laughing of this development :shocking:
run to the hills i say!!!!....before you get micro chipped like a dog!
For the love of God dont ask him that!
They won't answer you.
Why? because if they do identify a time and place that made you a citizen then people would start to not become one at that point so as to avoid taxes. So they won't give the option.
If they write back saying it's because you are within borders, ask for evidence that this is the case.
The 28 day bit is a default clause, the same as they put on their parking tickets and other legal mumbo jumbo, that assumes an assertion after a set period of time.
Ofc, getting them to honour it in the long run might be quite the task because they never, ever, ever follow the law if they can possibly help it. But that's ok, I'll settle for revealing them as the thugs and parasites they really are and which no one believes.
A more interesting question would be, would you refuse to go to hospital if you were in a car crash?
As little as I can possibly manage to. I can say hand on heart I haven't paid income tax for two years or council tax for three and i don't have a TV licence and all that other shit either.
I generally hide as much as I can however. Hiding is a much better option than fighting, I can tell you that for free.
The point at which Joolyknockers abandoned the discussion around "countries and tax" is usually where it ends in RL as well.
Not at all. They voluntarily decide to help me, I let them.
And the payment for this you would of course give them afterwards?
Why would I do that?
Well lets look at it the other way, why are you so great that you deserve the benefits of taxation without actually paying it?
If you dont want to pay tax, dont, thats fine with me. But if you want to use the NHS at some point then pay for it.
ok ok. I don't consider these political views. I just think they are facts.
Can you sort that out for us? You say that when I live within the boundaries of the state I have to do certain things, but you are also saying that I don't live within the boundaries of the state.
No. Heres why. If I do something that benefits you but did it merely for my own selfish ends (say i put up a light on my porch that illuminates the street) you would be well within your rights to tell me to get stuffed if I asked you for cash for doing it.
If I bake a cake and then force you to take a slice using a gun and then demand payment afterwards, you wouldn't think this fair. Neither do I.
What protections?
Obviously. What's wrong with that?
Car tax is regrettably unavoidable, because they keep taking your car away over and over until you get one.
Not really, they very very rarely do anything. unless it's a high profile murder they do fuck all. They certainly don't protect anyone except those in the state's interests.
Yes, of course it is. If I was only to be asked to pay for only those things I used I would jump at the chance. As it is, my taxes to pay for "police protection" etc actually get used to blow up cities and keep people like Prezza in ferrari's and helicopters. Quite frankly, fuck that. If I ask for a service like protection and don't get it, I am well within my rights to withhold payment.
Now then. There are a few things i would like to point out. Firstly, there is no state, so when I argue around these areas, what i usually get back are arguments from people's pasts - for example if the "you don't like it leave" and the "pay your fair share under this roof" arguments aren't memories of a whinging mum or dad at your teenage self I will eat my hat.
Secondly, there is no real money anymore. There is just debt. That being the case - I, Klintock, do solemnly swear that i will pay the bearer upon demand the sum of £15,000,000. Happy now?
What benefits are these exactly?
I must have pumped in hundreds of thousands of pounds into the taxation system. Alright with you if I leave off paying any more in until I get something back?
Good good.
Cliff Hanna was convicted in territorial court late last month of failing to file income tax returns for the past three years.
He attempted to persuade the justice of the peace, Garry Burgess, that he is a free man who owes the government nothing.
In a sworn affidavit, he declared that the name James Clifford Hanna was put on his birth certificate many years ago in Alberta without his permission. He disclaimed responsibility for debts or obligations the government may now assign to that name.
He said people continue to be defrauded into believing their birth certificates oblige them to obey demands of the Crown. He added there is no record anywhere that he ever accepted the Hanna name.
The fact he occasionally responds to the name means nothing, Hanna said.
"I respond to 'Uncle' from my niece and nephews, and 'Meow' from my aunt's cats, but it is doubtful that any of these is my true name," he argued in court documents.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/news/national/2006/02/03/no-name.html
>sigh<
You cannot advance an argument to the parasites, they will just tell you to get stuffed.
You can ask them questions.
I'm glad I'll hopefully be moving abroad before all this ID card fuckery comes around - but I don't think it's going to be around for that long anyway. ID cards were compulsory during WWII but after a few years of having to carry them in peacetime people got fed up with them and managed to get rid of them - I reckon the same thing will happen again.
it's a crime to steal from thieves?