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Your not exactly posting evidence either. Saying rape is a politcal act because it involves power is hardly empirical evidence is it?
Its not a political issue any more then any other crime figure, the only way it links to politics is political inititives to bring crimes down.
Power as an entity yes but not necassarily power over others.
I know it gets the anti-gov's all juiced up to think of Bush and Blair etc, sitting in big chairs, smoking cigars and laughing about lording power over everyone, but it doesn't happen.
Its their job, its policans job to have power.Its neaural, a requriement.
Ther is no job of being a rapiest as far as I am aware.
Seriously, what the fuck are you on about? Crime isn't a political issue because being a criminal isn't a job on the level with the job of a politician?
Rape is a crime, thus in my opinion a political issue.
As for reporting scarlett because she's trying to elicit from you some kind of evidence for your wild statements, I find that pathetic in the extreme.
In the UK however, we may have a useless Labour government, but what we definitely don't have are ministers ordering that their political opponents be beaten half to death or raped. So let's not bring politics into this, as that is a very dangerous step. That is why I didn't put this in P&D - because this is more an issue about crime/safety/personal responsibility/several other sub-themes, rather than a political one.
scarlett has perosnal issues with me and deliberately baited me on the board to give the response I did. Hence I report, as what I have been told to do by mods.
Scarllet as presented no evidence of her own, yet you and her get down on me about evidence???
It is part of crime which is in part dealt with by politics but rape itself is not politics or political.
Her allusion was that Rape is politics because politcs has power in in it and so does rape. that is what she said. Nothing to do with crime.
I said that politcs has power in it because that is what is required, its a job,.
Being a rapists isn't a job. Rape isn't necassary, politics and polictal power is.
Rape is an issue inteslef and part of crime yes.
Increase education on rape but don't link it to politics.
She provided a clear and coherent reasoning for her point of view, which is a damn sight more than you have, evidence or no evidence. I haven't seen any evidence of her "baiting" you either.
I am sick of the cliquy, bullying, ganging up tactic on here.
Where???
What evidence??
What choerant links???
What links at all??
What expert theory?
Anything?????
Her oroginal point was politics has power, rape has power, hence rape is political.
thats what I critcised and now it looks as if the tune is changing. Typical.
Scarlett I cannot trust a word you say anyomre.
You have lied on repeated occasions to me, and not that these people know that mind. I didn't want this in the public forum and still l don't but putting sarcastic icons and accusing me of being "obtuse" IS baiting somone!!!
I can handle debate, I have debated plenty but I don't trust in your replies to me.
I didn't srat this by putting stupid, baiting and insulting icons.
As for "expert theory", it's hardly necessary to back up your opinion that rape is a political issue with such theory. Rape is a crime and crime is political, just because we aren't using rape as a political tool (as stargalaxy described in his earlier post) does not mean that is it categorically not a political issue.
Regardless of that. In my opinion it is, however, nowt to do with sex.
As for rape and politcs and crime.
I said and agree that rape is a crime and as crime is dealt with in part by politics, it does make it a political issue in the sense of crime.
What I disagreed with though, was the ascertain that Politics is about power and so is rape so rape is political.
I don't agree with that logic.
yet, scarlett is is ignored and said to have coherant agrument with evidence and mine i sis claime dnot to be, even though we have said different things in the same way.
Aye, and definitely an issue for [Politics &] DEBATE.
this is a political issue, but lets leave the politics of it for a thread in politics and debate
The view that rape is political is hardly radical, since the crime itself has often been viewed in the context of civil liberities; expressions of gender inequalities; a representation of overarching power dynamics within society; the way treatments of perpatraitors of rape and those who are raped are treated reflects these dynamics and the ways in which arguements for the preventation of rape often reflect personal and political views of those involved.
After all if the personal is political, then the violation of the personal is certainly political.
As to where this thread should be, I certainly feel it's a debate and therefore has a more appropriate location - and to be honest it's always difficult to decide where rape should be assigned - we had to think long and hard when deciding the place of articles on rape at the time of TheSite.org redesign.