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Do you propose a tribal construct to society?
How are they resolved now?
No. Do you?
:yes:
If there's no authority how could criminals be brought to justice? Who would uphold or even create the laws?
Not really... A times a more tribal priativist society is appealing, but it probably wouldn't work.
What if people controlled their own communities? How likely would they be to riot then?
Authority would be invested in the community.
People.
However, the governments functions should not extend to wealth redistribution on a massive and punitive scale, social engineering or any direct interference in the market place through things like price fixes or interest rate controls.
The 'night watchman' state is the best option, because the market knows (and performs) best.
People would still have problems with eachother, some people would always use violence.
People are not going to be going around holding hands and dancing just because there is no "authority"
And? Have I argued otherwise? Whats' your point?
Yes. Except the taxation bit. There need to be taxes for...
Wealth Distribution, you can't have a state leaving its poorest citizens to suffer while some fat cat enjoys a life of luxery with money he doesn't need.
No.
People are still going to be violent to eachother in a state without authority, perhaps more so when there is no authority to stop them doing whatever they want. e.g. I like that blokes house, i could kill him and obtain it myself
What is stopping you do that now? Just the fear of getting caught? Or something else?
Well for some people it would be the fear of getting caught and receiving the punishment I'm sure. People still commit crimes now when there is a punishment so why wouldn't they do it when there was no 'official' punishment.
I asked you what is stopping you.
You've got the wrong end of the stick completely. Leaving aside the fact that a lot of crimes are actually to do with property acquisition and inequality, where exactly have I argued for no "punishment" (although I think that word is too loaded)?
Personally I'm a pacifist and don't think violence is the answer to anything. I have morals as I'm sure many people do, but there are people who don't have them.
How have I got the "wrong end of the stick then?"
Yes you can argue some crime is to do with inequality, but there are still just some nasty people out there who will do things anyway in a lawless anarchical society just because they want to and can. I'm saying in an annarchical society there is no "punishment" as that is the whole point of anarchy, there are no laws and people are free to do what they want.
So laws have no effect on whether you commit violence on others then?
You seem to be confusing anarchy with anarchism.
They do yes, but as I said I wouldn't commit violent acts anyway.
If that is the case, would you care to explain the difference then?
Exactly - you wouldn't commit violent acts anyway. Why is that?
Anarchy means an abscence of law and order. Anarchism is a political system where communities are in charge of their own affairs. It does not mean "there are no laws and people are free to do what they want."
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/
I'm saying because I wouldn't but there are going to be people out there who get there kicks from exercising violence and control over others.
The link doesn't work. (Actually it does but took an age to load)
But I will take your word for it, I just looked up the definition of Anarchism in Key Ideas In Politics by Moyra Grant
So how are laws enforced in an anarchical society?
Do you think there are more people like you out there? or more people who like violence? Why do you think they like violence? Why do you think that an anarchist society wouldn't be able to defend itself anyway?
Their server appears a bit flaky and slow at the moment, but it is working.
Try this
http://www.libcom.org/thought/faq/
People are capable of policing themselves. As I already asked - what is it that stops you going out and burgling your neighbours? Fear of going to prison? Or something else?
There will be more people like me out there yes, but there will always be a minority who will exercise violence and power over others. The strong preying on the weak and so on, something that has been happening throughout history.
For a start my neighbour is the prison so i think i would be a fool to try and burgle that particular building
Also how are people capable of policing themselves? And in what way would they do it?
There are about a 120,000 policemen and women.
Conclusion.
Most people don't need to be policed.
I've seen you make this point before and your conclusion was that people don't fear the police itself, they fear the idea of police.
Well it's the same for the state, the idea of a state provides reassurance and comfort to most people. And if you can manage to convince people that it's not actually the state providing services, it's the people who are doing it under the guse of the state, then you can sort a lot of problems we have. Doing that though is the task.
most of your ideas seem to be about community ...well that was all good and well when we had steel textiles shipbulding engeneering ming communities etc ...we don't have those anymo.
we now have a global community of billions under the control of digital bankinig.
so ...someone is going to have power that all your fancy ideas arent going to take back into communal ideas and ideals.
face it ...mammon has won.
What happens when people start leading movements of aggression. What would happen if neo-nazis or religious fundamentalists organise themselves, or people from one town invaded another town to loot, steal, or impose rule?
Without any form of organised government surely there is a big danger of this sort of thing happening.
your allso old fashioned!
your all looking at thinking that belongs in bygone days ...yet you believe your all so fucking modern and up to date!
carry on with your ancient thinking and you are fucking doomed ...