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1: you seem to have been fooled by the media into believing we think it is the worst thing that ever happened. We don’t, we are just damned upset by, as we should be. Most folks don’t think it was the worst thing to ever happen. Remember, the corporate media doesn't speak on behave of the American people.
2: what do you have against patriotism?
Funny I didn't see you lot crying about people in SE Asian when the bombs went off in the tubes...
the point is that there are US citizens on here who might take an interest in those sigs.
You're right, it wasn't just Americans who died, I can't argue with that. But in all likely the flag in the picture isn't intended to only symbolize the deaths of the americans. Tacky is relative buddy. I can write the damn date, we call it 9/11 and that is how i write it. Oh for fucks sake, I'm having a flashback to a thread dedicated to the loss in the Madrid bombings, shit looks like that was hypocritical as well. Anyhow, it's 2:15 in the morning so I am off to bed.
Patriotism is fine, but do you really think this is patriotic? And what really does the flag mean? It is only a flag. Love your country all you like but to love a flag has no meaning.
And as I have said, we dont really do patriotism like you in the US, we dont like it, it has way too many dodgy conotations for us.
We had one when it happened, as is entirely proper. But not a year after, and not 4 years after.
That would be the day the US funded the coup in Chile of General Pinochet, and thereby sentenced tens of thousands of people to death.
A flag does have a meaning; it's a symbol of the values and founding principles of a country. I happen to be a rather big fan of these principles, things like freedom, equality, justice, all very good. And no matter how far our country strays from these principles, and no matter which power hawks try to use it as a war flag, the meaning doesn't change. So yes the flag does have meaning.
I get what you're saying about the dodgy connotations of patriotism. Unfortunately far too many people here have it confused with nationalism.
We had one on the anniversary. And I would find it appropriate to have it again.
certainly not our proudest moment.
Actually it's a symbol of the current regime, not just the history.
Which is why the symbol fails right now. Freedom, equality and justice mean bugger all really when freedoms are being stripped, when equailty means that the poor get left to die and where justice means that you can be detained without trial or right to appeal...
They are principles for us to aspire to, and unfortunaly we're doing a crap job of it at the moment. Again the symbole remains the same.
Yes it does. Here's an example
Far as I know the Nazi flag has always stood for Nazism. And if you're talking about the swastika, Nazis believed it was a symbol of good fortune just as other groups who used it did.
as a matter of fact a girl at my school a couple of years ago had a swastika tatoo, she caught all kinds of trouble for it.
So by your line of thinking, the flag of the U.S.A. has shifted from symbolizing the principles of the U.S.A. To symbolizing the negative actions and deeds of past (and current) governmental bodies right?
You have my sympathy, life must have a rather stale taste with such a negative attitude.
because the people of these countries HATE FREEDOM!
sorry just kidding.
It's burned by people in other countries because the people in these countries are oppressed by the West, the 'leader' of which is the U.S.A. The people of these countries haven't had any experience that would show them that the flag stands for such ideals. All they know is what has happened to them, and to them the U.S.A. is the evil empire, and the flag is the symbol of that empire.
again, that is subjective.
If you died would you like us to remember you that way? With your name and date and the flag as a backdrop?