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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Then why did they mourn him? Why is he still considered one of their greatest?

    He turned the country through an Industrial revolution in 10 years, allowing it to produce weapons to defend itself. Without him they would have fallen within days. Also, lets not forget who was the first to have Women fighting on the frontlines too? Thefive year plans failed, yes, but they did allow the development furthur. Without them, we would all be Aryans. Or infact, not exist. How can you say he didn't acheive alot when he took a backwards farming country and made it into an industrail superpower? One which the Russians really felt proud of?

    Yes, he was a bastard. He sent millions to death for no real reason except he hated them for opposing him. However, how does he get blamed also for a crop failing? He didn't personally go out and tell the weather to be shitty. (Although he would have liked to have thought he had that power). He was mad. Yes. Evil. Yes. A great leader? Yes. Friends with Mao? Regretably. But they were both a bit mad.

    Russia was worse off after he died, anyway. They tried some sortof bullshit reforms that cocked it up even more.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Then why did they mourn him? Why is he still considered one of their greatest?

    He turned the country through an Industrial revolution in 10 years, allowing it to produce weapons to defend itself. Without him they would have fallen within days. Also, lets not forget who was the first to have Women fighting on the frontlines too? Thefive year plans failed, yes, but they did allow the development furthur. Without them, we would all be Aryans. Or infact, not exist. How can you say he didn't acheive alot when he took a backwards farming country and made it into an industrail superpower? One which the Russians really felt proud of?

    :confused:

    How do you know the Russians felt proud of their country. Russia produced all sorts of Propoganda that made it look as though he had full support and that they were proud. Yes they were proud for a few years after WW2 but that was it.
    As for turning Russia into an industrial nation, millions of peasants died at the same time. Sticking up for Stalin is the same as sticking up for Hitler imo, Hitler done wonders for Germany but he was a nutter, as was Stalin.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    For all his faults, we forget all his sucesses and great acheivements.

    Seriously, are you on crack?

    Claiming that Stalin did great things is as deluded as saying HItler did. Stop tryuing to pretend you're some communeet and start thinking about things.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    North Korea's government is dominated by the Korean Workers' Party (KWP), to which 80 percent of government officials belong. The KWP follows and upholds the ideology of Juche (self-reliance), which originally grew out of Stalinism. Like the former Soviet Union, North Korea is dominated by a party bureaucracy that claims to represent the will of the people. The KWP replaced mentions of Marxism-Leninism in the North Korean constitution with Juche in 1977. Communist critics of the KWP deny that it is a communist state. Minor political parties exist, but they are subordinated to the KWP and do not oppose its rule. In practice the exact power structure of the country is somewhat unclear, although it is commonly accepted that the nation's regime is a totalitarian dictatorship.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_korea#Politics
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A haven of capitalism then?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    You can thank him for the fact you exist too, without him, WW2 would have been lost.
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    so if germany had won they would have prevented me being born?
    :chin:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It could have. Such a considerable change of history would have undeniable knock on effects including who might have met whom and born what offspring.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    so if germany had won they would have prevented me being born?
    :chin:

    Everything - literally, everything - is interlinked. Someone farting on a bus for example can easily alter the course of world history.

    Gerbil's point is daft, though - all of us on here owe our existence to everything in world history, including the tiniest detail.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Kermit wrote:
    Seriously, are you on crack?

    Claiming that Stalin did great things is as deluded as saying HItler did. Stop tryuing to pretend you're some communeet and start thinking about things.

    So, what would the USSR have been without him?

    Yup, a nation of peasant farmers who got crushed under Panzers whilst weilding Nagants at them. Effective.

    We owe our lives to alot, yes, but it is not a daft point. If the Nazi's had one, you would find your relatives at that time most likley DEAD. Unless they beleived in the Nazi's cause, of coruse, and were Aryans.

    If the Nazi's had won, it is safe to say the vast majority of us here would not exist.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Yup, a nation of peasant farmers who got crushed under Panzers whilst weilding Nagants at them. Effective.

    The Russians coped alright in WW1 until the revolution in 1917.

    And the winter did far more for the war win than Stalin, given that Stalin kept bumping off his top generals to prevent them usurping him.

    And given Stalin's rule, it is as daft as saying that Hitler was great.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg wrote:
    A haven of capitalism then?

    Are you actually capable of reading?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    The Russians coped alright in WW1 until the revolution in 1917.

    Not sure about that.

    Part of the reason for the revolution was that the Russians were doing badly and that was causing lots of suffering domestically.

    When the revolution came the Russian forces were close to the brink of collapse anyway, there had already been mass mutinying and loss of order across the front as I beleive.....
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