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I'm only after comin off a 2 hour conversaton with my da about God and the universe, and i'll tell ya what, my dad is smarter than me you blagsta the whole fuckinhg lot put together and truth is that we came to the conclusion that we came from star dust, deny it all you can but we're made out of star dust, if you believe in God, you believe God made the star dust, if you don't you're either an antheist or a misguided fool
Now i'm no scientist, far from it in fact, but hasn't gravity been explained by the fact the closer you are to a massive object then the stronger the effects of gravity?
I'd like to say I'm a scientist... I don't believe in fantasies like romantic love, I don't believe in heaven and hell in the afterlife, I don't believe there is a sentient God watching over us...
However, there's still a part of me that's drawn towards spiritualism, I like the idea of deities as pure energy, like branches of a greater tree that bring people inspiration... I like the idea of the seven principles of the Hermetic Law and I'm currently reading up on Buddhism, which whilst it appears atheist, I think the idea of universal love and Nirvana in itself is very spiritual.
I think that people take the idea of 'God' too literally... They're comparing their own experiences to those in religious texts. I think by deciding 'God is this' or 'God is that' that we're limiting ourselves by blocking out all possibilities of what could be out there.
one never tries to improve upon the initial observation and turn it into anything useful, thats the difference, no scientist should have the definitive answer to what something is and leave it at that, thats why scientific knowledge continously updates itself
i have no idea what mass is, cause really we only experience its force nothing else, that doesnt mean we should leave it as "we dont know what mass is so its gods work and leave it at that"
its a hard point to bring across but religion has not improved our understanding of the world, they keep changing their stance, for example up to 200 years ago a christian would of argued the world is only a few thousand years old and left it at that, nowadays when radioactive dating and placed the earth at 4.5 billion years (thanks for the correction nash i forgot :$) they said oh human life is a thousand years old and if the big bang did happen then its gods work
imo religious people have done sod all to help this along, science in its nature requires continual questiong, even of established 'facts' like when einstein done relativity when newtonian gravity was seen to be the main thing, and since quantum theory works to a good extent we are trying to put gravity into it. Relativity works on big scales, newtonian works on day to day scales and quantum tends to be observed in the below microscopic realms. even if as we do this there are peopel trying to combine all the fields of physics into one, so far theyve managed to associate electromagnetic radiation and the weak nuclear force, minus the higgs boson particle which hasnt been observed yet
oh i could go on for dayd its really interesting
If that hadn't made me laugh so much, i'm sure i'd find it offensive.
Is it specifically the man with hooks for hand that i have to make sweet love to, because to be fair, if he gets a little carried away...
Just because somebody is religious does not make them a Luddite does it? Just because you believe in God does not mean that you don't believe in gravity, or that you think God makes apples fall from trees. I'm sure there are a lot of scientists out there who believe in God.
You'd have to prove that carbon dating was unequivocal first.
To do that properly you'd have to sit down and watch carbon 14 decay and time it...several times. You'd have to be sure that the instruments you use have no error and you'd have to find out that carbon 14 always decays at the same rate regardless of the environmental conditions.
There is an isotope of thorium that has a half-life of 47 billion years.
oh there are im mates with a morman who does pharmocology, very interesting debates about evolution
im trying to get my point across but its hard to do, its like hmmm that religious thought hasnt improved anything, it takes CURRENT scientific basic ideas and then argues as it has flaws there must some higher being cause we dont know it all, when we know more than what we knew 100 years ago and will know more in 100 years time
really difficult concept to convey, much like quantum theory :crazyeyes
part of the difficulty is that previously technology came before the science, and were level 1900-1920 but nowdays theres far more theoretical than there is stuff that we have the ability to observe how useful it is, mainly due to the advancement of computers and mathematical methods
thats what they use to date the earth
and according to current belief environment has no effect on half lives, however since it is in really a probability bas process only the 1st few half lives tend to be useful as theres enough of a sample to measure
Gravity is the name given to the sceintific recording of small items being attracted to larger one.
Why that happens is just a theory.
I don't argue that science isn't the quest for a better understand of the "why" questions. My argument is that the quest doesn't rule out the possibility of the existence of a deity, and more to the point that the two aren't exclusive anyway.
I agree with you, but surely the presence of unanswered questions doesn't infer anything more than the a question awaiting an answer?
I think if there's a God, then it's not a God that is anything like the those that are referenced in, and spoon fed, by religious texts. I think the idea that God made man in his own image is a nice, easily digestable idea that allows simple relation and an immediate understanding of religious ideas.
:chin: Excuse while God ponders. Oh, good news, Mr. Hook can be substituted. You may choose to make love to the politician who has officially called an end to multiculturalism as a means to more tolerance. :crazyeyes
Personally I acutally may have a calling. I feel God run through me...never mind. It's just my cell on "vibrate." :shocking:
You cannot say Christians won't accept other people's views, how many Christians do you know? Because I've met plenty who accept I have different views towards them.
I really hope you didn't write your exams papers like this.
Most scientists will say that they can accept there is a creator but not classical theist,just one that simply created the world.I can believe ina creator that is powerful but not omniscient and not omnibenevolent.
And I was simply wrinting what one scholar said that i agree with 'death of a thousand qualifications'.
... and scientific "discovery" is nothing more than than the realisation of existing potential...
Who? Which God?
b) How do you know that openminded meant me?
oh no i agree fully they arent exclusive, however people who believe in a deity tend to support not further studying these things which means im less like belive in a deity of sorts, hard to explain, but hmm, we wouldnt get anywhere if people stuck at their religious beliefs, yes theres scientific peopel who beleive sin a higher being however they dont elss this get in the way of their studies
small and large what exactly? mass, well then what is mass other than the proportionality constant between the force of one particle comapred to another
Science excites me, I love the idea of explaining the unexplained, of hearing new theories about why things happen. I also love the idea that somewhere there's someone watching over our quest, recording what we do, as if we are part of a larger experiment...
All that god and universe dice rolling stuff makes me wonder too.