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The poor sod might have thought some fucking vigilante group were after him. If 3, probably quite big guys, in plain clothes told you they were the police and to stop, then came running towards you, would you automatically believe them?
Got to love this: "A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police."
Talk about understatement of the fucking year.
The police shoot a man, in public, for what appear to be little more than being asian and running away, and then they call it a "tragedy". It's a fucking outrage.
so its ok to resist arrest if you dont think you have done anything wrong, or just because you dont understand a cease and desist order from an officer of the law
It does seem that in this case the police fucked up (and if some of the witness statements are to be believed the shooter may be up for murder). But the thing is if you have men with guns defending us they as individuals will make mistakes. The only way this isn't going to happen again in the future is to have a totally disarmed military and police. I'm not sure that's the way forward.
So innocent people deserve to be shot? Yeah man, right on.
Scratch a hippy, find a fascist.
i guess thats all any armed robber has to do now, say they didnt think the people chasing them were police, then they can gain the right to sue
Erm, yes.
If you have done nothing wrong then the police have no right to arrest you, surely?
Let alone pull guns on you.
Don't be stupid.
There's a big difference between Armed Police in riot gear with flashing cars and 3 plain clothed police officers with a handgun.
It's a tragedy yes, but if a similar situation arose again I hpe the same tactics would be used.
The police were forced to make a split second decision by the actions of the dead man.
I was always lead to believe that one of the things which made this country "great" was our sense of justice. In fact I was lead to believe that it was admired and copied in many other countries around the world.
Wasn't it the UK which developed the jury system? The concept of innocence until guilt is proven?
So, as part of our PMs "not letting the terrorists change our way of life", we now have armed police shooting people dead because of a suspicion. I'd say that was a pretty fucking fundamental change to our way of life, wouldn't you?
As I said at the start. Part of me is reassured that the police will take strong action against terrorists. But the main part of me is worried that events like this will become more commonplace and, as some of the press reports today and some of the comments here, they will become accepted as "sometimes the police will make mistakes". Sorry I will not accept it.
What we are talking about here is the execution of an [apparently] innocent man. The very thing we are supposed to be fighting to prevent.
Hmm, right up until it's you, your brother, a friend etc.
Whose life are you happy to give up, or is it just asian people who should live with that fear?
I do have a sneaky suspicion that the "police" came from Vauxhall though...
Surely Hereford...
To a certain extent I agree. But at the same time the concept of innocent until proven guilty extends to the police. We do not know what made them shoot. If they reasonably judged him a threat (ie he wasn't shot because someone paniced) and they reasonably thought that the only way to stop him was to shoot him, then I don't think they were in the wrong.
Now that may mean nothing to the poor bastard's family, but cruxifying some policemen or soldiers for doing their job isn't justice, but the quest for a sacrificial lamb to ease the consciensces of people who weren't there.
They were behind the plain clothes officers, according to eyewitnesses around 10-12 officers chased the suspect, 3 of which were plain clothes.
Probably, but that'd be letting personal shit get in the way of my opinion.
You have to look at the situation that faced the poilce at the time. What else would have had them do?
There should be an inquiry and if they were found to have acted unreasonably then they should be tried on the same basis as anyone else.
Uniformed officers at the tube stations have been a regularity since July 7th. When I was there last week, there was hundreds of them. They're identifiable. The plain clothes officers weren't.
All of the eyewitness accounts I've read have only stated 3 plain clothes officers chasing him.
I don't know. I lose trac of who lives where these days.
I thought MI6 still lived at the office block for "ACME Shipping", or whatever it was, in Vauxhall.
A man they knew didn't have a bomb on him had the temerity to run away, so they shot him in angry cold-blood.
Oh well, only a darkie, oops.
The MI6 building is at Vauxhall Cross, the MI5 building which handles internal security is on the Millbank on the other side of the river. The SAS are based in Hereford.
They didn't know that he didn't have a bomb at the time.
Ta.
The first few eyewitness accounts on the BBC stated that about 12 officers chased the man, of which 3 were plain clothes officers.
Where has it been stated that they knew he didn't have a bomb?
Again only you are putting a racial spin on this.
he sdidn't stop, so they murdered him, presumably to teach him a lesson.
But just like the bloke with the table leg, nothing will ever be done to punish the murderers responsible.