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A dead bloke can pull a detonator.
I hope to go they're right. I suspected evidence will be there regardless.
I don't hold to the notion that one dead innocent is better than x number of hypothetical dead innocents.
Doesn't fit the mo at all. Bombings have already knocked out the Piccadilly Line, H & C and Metropolitan Lines. The Circle's out. Now you've got attempts on the Northern, Victoria and Central yesterday...anyone seeing a pattern here? The aim was to knock out London transport (couple of bombs to give the people on the buses a bit of a worry?)...
The other bombs so far have been on timers...unusual for suicide bombers and suggesting, perhaps, that they weren't intended to be such. Either way, the police don't know how long they've got and they don't want a bomber running around the place with a ticking bomb.
Oh, go on then. You've convinced me :rolleyes:
A bomb just next to the train wouldn't have the same effect as a bomb inside it? Bunnies. Objective achieved either way.
It's locked down as it is with just the shooting.
So why shoot the fucker once you've got him then? If it's on a timer shooting him is pointless and in fact denies you an intelligence source. He was already down.
What difference does it make with him in handcuffs and a clock counting down or dead on the floor with a clock counting down? Either way theres little point in killing him.
Only the end of the Vic Line though. A better place to detonate would be...Oxford Circus...the next stop down from Warren Rd as it happens.
Because you can't arrest him - he's going to go off any second - and you don't want him on the loose. What else you gonna do?
Basically, you've got seconds to react - ideally you want the bag to stay in one place and evacuate everyone else from the station. How many chances are you going to take that the bomb might get on the move again?
Agree with you 100% there.
strangely enough if you see the eye witness reports, it says they bundled on top of him of him and then shot him 4 times - that sounds like 'intelligence' agencies, and very worrying indeed
Why does that sound like 'intelligence agencies' rather than plain clothes police?
I'm not aware of intelligence agencies (outside of Forces Reconnaissance) being armed on the whole...but then I guess you wouldn't be - nature of the beast and all that.
Looking suspicious and running away do not make you guilty of anything.
If the body search shows that he was carrying explosives then there a different spin on it. Whilst I applaud the death of a terrorist I should also remind people that in this country we do not have the death penalty on our statutes and that we should be concerned taht the Police are willing to take this kind of action just as much as we can be reassured...
Not as standard but I've heard it said that when the level of danger is considered at its highest level, armed police do patrol the Tube in plainclothes.
An eyewitness on Radio 2 just now said the guys were wearing flak-jackets anyway, so I'd guess they weren't really plainclothes at all.
A point well made.
firstly police are only instructed to shoot once, and ifrom eye witness it sounded like more of a popping shot which is associated with a silencer, which police don't use in my knowledge of their powers, and sounds more like intelligence people.......
Not anymore. Armed police are trained to shoot to injure and incapacitate where possible. That's no longer applicable. They are now told to shoot to kill where suicide bombers are concerned. A single shot is not a sure way of doing so.
Why would intelligence people use a silencer in the middle of a busy Tube station? An automatic pistol would sound like a popping noise...especially in the acoustic of the Tube.
Well said, MoK.
TGOS -
I'll just point out the dangers of shooting at someone who is wearing a bomb and say toodles on this one.
so..
Toodles. :wave:
Unless he's pinned on the floor and you shoot him in the head...
Either way, if he's gonna blow anyway, you don't have much choice.
Yeah, later...
The aim is to shoot to stop and you fire as many bullets as needed to achieve that aim. If they survive fine, if not fine. Shooting to wound is a myth.
There's rumours that the orders have now been trained to go for the head if its a suspected suicide bomber, as a chest wound may set off the bomb.
I've heard that as well.
Whilst I understand the view that this would prevent detonation, I'm also concerned that a shoot-to-kill policy (which in effect is what this is) means that out police force have effectively been given a licence to kill purely on the basis of suspicion...
I have nothing to hide, but so far there is no evidence that the man killed today did either...
Yes, it's automatic when the police shoot someone. I suspect that your level of involvement will be minimal in such a high profile case though.
.. and I haven't flamed you either.
Damn I'm losing my touch.
Welcome.
Yeah exactly...even if they did state they were police, the reaction for a lot of people is still to run...doesn't mean you've got explosives strapped round your waist, though. And if he was a suicide bomber...why not just detonate as the police arrive?
exactly what i was thinking.
obviously we don't know what really happened, but if a group of random men with guns started pointing them at me, you'd better believe i'd be out of there. 'stop, we're police'. yeah right. especially given the possibility of revenge attacks on muslims that's been talked about recently.
if he was a bomb risk, then fair play to the police, but i still find it immensely worrying.
Too early too say whether it was murder, a tragic accident or justified.
But he might have tried to detonate them but failed. He might have been dangerous because he was carrying another weapon. Even suicide bombers panic. He might have thought that he could get to a more crowded place and then detonate. He might have thought he could loose the police.
TBH at the moment all we're doing is speculation.
With all the heightened security, the police have been instructed to shoot to kill if they have reason to believe someone is likely to perform this sort of terrorist action.
man doesnt stop, man gets shot, man dies, carrying bomb, everyone would be happy
whats the actuall differences between any of the actions made by police in those two cases, up until they discover the bomb was either there or not
I hope the officers involved will be put inside. :mad: