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But violence is considered acceptable just not by authority figures, society isnt just the law, its the culture and the culture at the moment is that violence is acceptable it works it gets results.
What about making children stay in after school as a punishment if this is aceptable then why cant I make you sit in your car with out moving for an hour as punishment if you cut me up ?
What about writing lines a teacher can do that but I cant make you do that can I ?
What ends up happening is that people arnt protected by violence this is a lesson I learned, after goingTo a politically correct youth club in the 80's and getting a kicking from 3 asian lads afterwords who were members of the club, after this (I told the organisers) they had a long discussion in which it was decided that retaliation (or any punishment) was the wrong thing, not pollitically correct you see,
what did this teach me that violence is wrong, and non violent authority is the right way. Or did it teach me that youd better have violence on your side to be protected, and thet authority was useless they only looked after their own objectives and didn’t give a shit about me so theres no use telling.
What would have happened if theyd got a clip round the ear from a group leader (as my boxing instructors would have done, in fact if such a thing had happened in a boxing club the leaders there would have been outraged)
This was one of only a few similer incidents that happened to me didn’t scar me, but what about the kids in a tough school who get this kind of attention from bullies every day what hell their lives are, what lessons will they learn from this to adulthood, respect authority or if you’ve gort a problem deal with it by sudden violence it works, authority wont give a shit about you wont help you.
the fear of pain screws people more than pain itself whether it be social pain or whatever
parents should just threaten to tell their mates they wet the bed or something etc etc
EDIT: Oh whatever! That sort of "no one understands" emotional arguement doesn't hold any water.
the sort of society where shop windows didn't have steel shutters on them?
the sort of society where vandalism was almost non existant?
the sort of society where broken families were few and far between?
The sort of society that didn't let women wear pants (skirts only)
The sort of society where people got kicked out of school for having long hair
The sort of society that had broken families but weren't willing the acknowledge them. :rolleyes:
There are plenty of positives, and plenty of negatives as well.
...unless they roled their eyes in class. :rolleyes:
......dress codes exist today. are you saying we can't as adults make rules for youngsters? The sort of society that had broken families but weren't willing the acknowledge them. rubbish!
all this modern thinking about being understanding etc ...doesn't seem to working very well does it.
the schools were not places of fear ...in fact they were mostly the opposite.
they were safe calm contolled environments.
I meant they had to wear skirts in school. Women have been able to wear pants for a long time. I would be hard pressed to argue against that.
Long hair was titled as "antisocial behavior" and was looked down on enough that they would kick people out of school for having it. I would say that is a good example of how backward some of the thinking used to be back then.
riiiiight because the broken home didn't exist until the 1980's :rolleyes:
which doesn't mean that it didn't in other schools. I'm not sure if you read my original reply to your post, but that is what i was making reference to.
and that all stemmed from corporal punishment eh?
so what if the rule stated no long hair?
you seem to be implying that we as adults are not there to make any rules that the children may not like.
goodnight ...
It wasn't an era of fear and violence, nor is this era. But you mentioned that broken homes were few and far between. And that my friend is a load of bull.
No long hair/unreasonable dress code/beating children in school=backwards thinking.
you (and soon to be me as well) are here to make rules which will create order and a good environment. I am not here to argue that it is not your job, I am simply saying that the negatives far outweigh the positives.
good afternoon.
from reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that welshbabe, despite the course content of your degree, your views on "behavioural managment" are rather backwards compared to what I believe the majority of people in the teaching profession would have.
there's no reason to resort to violence to disipline children, I think it merely shows lazyness and a lack of social skills on the part of the elder party.
but then again, it's you (scarily enough) who's becoming the teacher, not me... :rolleyes:
what would you say if the class retaliated against the corporal punishment?
i know i fucking would if someone in my class was being treated like that, am i wrong in holding back the teacher so they cant?
And the withdrawal of corporal punishment is to blame? That's a mighty big assumption there. What do you base it on?
No one is twisting your posts. All people are asking is that you clarify your position and back up your arguments. Its called debate.
What has this got to do with corporal punishment?
You seem to be wearing a rather large pair of rose tinted specs.
I might as well say I had a good lunch today, and you turn round and tell me Im not living in the real world cause you had a shitty lunch
Rather than making the generaql comment "rose tinted specticals" address specificaly what he said and point out and discrepencies.
I think there was less vandalism in the 50's and 60's, and threr wernt guards and cameras in school uyou disagree with what he say if so then point it out what.
Just because somethings were worse in the past, and some things were better, dosnt mean if you want to take to good things you have to bring the bad things,
So we avoid this: Id say there was less vandalism in the 50's because of respect for comunity and authority maybe we should have a bit more of that respect now.
Youd say, Oh in the 50's Stalin was in power in the Soviey Union, you want to bring that back and murder millions of people, and you want to go back to a racist South Africa,
Do you see how the two things arnt related, so are you going to actually point out why M R was having rose tinted glasses, based on what he said not what else was happening at the time.
I was pointing out that if there were bad anbd good things in the past we can bring the good with out the bad,
So what was rose tinted about MR's post
"the sort of society that didn't need cameras and guards in schools?
the sort of society where shop windows didn't have steel shutters on them?
the sort of society where vandalism was almost non existant?
the sort of society where broken families were few and far between?
all this modern thinking about being understanding etc ...doesn't seem to working very well does it"
So unless you disagree with the first 4 comments then your just looking for a quick sound bite to attack his post with cause youve got nothing constructive to point out.