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Oh its at least as equally funny as stuff written in the sun. People seem to forget the fact that firms trade not governments.
Though I must admit I'm a Europhile, I think the EUCA was splendid.
Unfortunately I've had to deal with the Commission which has made me even more eurosceptic than before.
Sometimes I wonder what planet you are on. I'm certain that you aren't the person you say you are.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would recognise that if the EU disappeared then visa etc would apply as they did before. Borders would go up, rights to import goods would change, rights to duty free would be removed... I may be euro-skeptic but I'm not blind.
For all that to remain there would need to be a certain amount of treaties to replace the existing ones. These existing treaties are based around the existence of the EU. You cannot currently have one without the other.
That kind of puts us back a few years, but then I don't have a problem with that. I see the benefits of trading agreements, it's the politics I can't see the point of.
We managed before...
Modern visas came after passports, and are 'outranked' by them.
The first true National Passport, the UK Passport became available in 1858 only to United Kingdom nationals. As well as an aid to travel it was a national identity document (with the backing of the most powerful empire ever!), don’t mess with Vic was the simple message.
For the sake of NQA who thought his passport gave him a national identity, the Telegraph on passports
However the EU goes too far beyond that. Political and monetary Union is something I would rather avoid.
The Common Agriculture and Fisheries policies are bad for Britain.
The European Parliament is an interfering, expensive gravy train.
The European "Human rights" legislation is a joke.
Britain puts far more money into the EU than we get out of it: We are subsidising less well off nations for what benefit?
I really don't care if I can't work in another country. I'm happy to stay here.
Would we really lose all that trade without the EU? We managed well enough before the EU's creation.
Well, I'm sorry but they cannot have it both ways. If they hate the EU so much they should prepared themselves for the fact that if the EU were to dissapear they would not be able to do that booze cruise to Calais or to stay in Spain for 5 months during the winter without applying for visas first. That buying property abroad would be made much more difficult. And that moving permanently to the Continent and getting a job there would be as difficult as it is for the US or Australia.
The ultra hypocrite perma-tanned muppet Killroy-Silk certainly comes to mind. For all his rants about the "evil" EU, he's more than happy to exploit the benefits it provides to us all and to own property abroad, travel freely within the EU and live for long periods in other countries. The same could be said, I suspect, about countless Daily Mailers and assorted types in this country who bang on about the nasty EU even as they visit the latest "Buy Property in Spain" show at Earls Court and spend 6 months a year tanning in Costa del Sol.
If I went to the USA I would need a visa (in fact I have one), so I don't have a problem with needing one to go to Europe.
Can't get much more hypocritical than that IMO.
The European Court of Human Rights is a separate institution from the EU, being part of the ECHR doesn’t bind us to EU membership nor visa versa as far as I’m aware.
I do sort of agree though. As far as I’m concerned the EU should be about free trade between its members and little more. Kinda like NAFTA. I thought only countries had a Parliament, a flag and a national anthem – well seeing as the EU has all three what exactly is it? The Daily Mail and co are stirring but I think there are some people in the EU who genuinely want a United States of Europe. And like most other people I don’t.
i dispice the common currency idea for now, and i hate the subsidies and the fact 2 countries are thr only net contributers to this crap
this was a treaty not a constitution
a real constitution would actually lay out what powers the eu has and the process, and what power nation states have
they need to celar up what powers eu has and what it doesnt, and why do we need a bloody foreign minister wholl represent us less than our national one
You will find that the European Court of Human Rights is entirely separate to the European Union, and you will find that the UNited Kingdom set up the ECHR in the first place.
Not that I would expect many Europhobes to appreciate this glaringly obvious difference.
Nor, for that matter, would I expect people decrying "stupid human rights laws" to wish to benefit from things such as, say, a minimum wage or safe working conditions. Or habeas corpus, for that matter.
It is scaring me how often I am agreeing with Johann Hari at the minute, but this excellent article is worth considering when railing about "joke human rights legislation".
Learn to understand arguments. Passports do not give me an identity but are evidence that countries exist. Two totally different things.
Roflmao.
If there really were "countries" and "nationalities" then why the hell would you need a passport?
Not even close to evidence. It's the reverse that is the case.
How do you make any brand?
First, make a logo, then make some adverts, then get "endorsed" by some person who has weight within the group of individuals you want to brainwash.
Even better, just assume it's there and people will make it up for you.
Consider the sentence
"Frank is next door"
In order to make sense of the sentence you have to create a "frank". So it is with "england".
Partially true.
They don't prove the existence of anything if you don't already believe in the existence of the said thing. All a passport is is a bit of expensive paper saying that you are a member of some abstract organisation. A country is not a concrete entity, it is merely an abstract organisation.
That's not to say that I agree with Klintock's argument that things cannot exist without a concrete presence, but the posession or existence of a passport does not prove the existence of an abstract.
Yes. It's fundamentalit religion type proof - I have a pasport because there is a country, there is a country because I have a passport. Same ludicrous thinking process. "A country is not a concrete entity" but everyone acts s though it is, which gives it a knockabout semblance of existence. It's not a fact though, it's an opinion.
Ooooof. Name some things that exist without being "things". I am all excited. :hyper:
Does capitalism exist?
Does society exist?
Does reality exist or we're all part of the Matrix?
If the answer to any (let alone all) of those questions is 'yes', then countries do most certainly exist.
Nope. Even on it's own terms it died out quite some time ago.
Nope.
Nope.
Not only is the answer to all your questions "no" but the logic that leads one to the other is fucked up as well.
Do mars bars exist? Do gammon steaks exist? Do blades of grass exist? then God must exist!!!!
Obvious horseshit.
You lost me Mr. T.
How does it? What'sthe proof?
Is there evidence for the existence of "society?"
i thought it was the word that describes how humans interact with each other in a certain country,town,time in history etc etc...well thats my understanding of the word...
Oh well... I look forward to Trinity coming to the rescue.
i'm looking forward to coming on trinity