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France says Non!
BillieTheBot
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I take there isn't a thread on this yet because the boards went down...
So, the French went and rejected the EU Constitution. One of the founders of the EU and arguably its most ardent supporter. Very interesting.
BBC analysis
Tony Blair must be very happy...
So, the French went and rejected the EU Constitution. One of the founders of the EU and arguably its most ardent supporter. Very interesting.
BBC analysis
Tony Blair must be very happy...
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Its much more than that. It means the end of the EU as we know it.
Which is a great shame. The whole thing should have been drowned at birth.
Also - key points to note are -
Legally, ratified means agreed to after the event, so it's already happened.
I love this phrase. How can "france" be different than the "french public"? How mad is that? (Insert usual digression on nations here, join in if you know the words)
More democracy in action. I mean just look at the languaging from our state run media.
Lets not forget Blair has already signed-up to the document - this is Blair democracy, sign-up first, ask the people for their approval afterwards.
Has he? Is his signature on the actual document?
ASK??!!! When has he ever asked?
I think you mean - confuse, befuddle, lie, brainwash, armtwist, bribe and act unilaterally anyway if all else fails.
I would have thought the single market would be attractive to a businessman of your standing.
The EU cannot go in two dire4ctions and by trying to steer a middle course is pleasing nobody.
Shame its taken so long for various politicians to wake up to the fact you cannot take people where they do not want to go...
What utter rubbish. Two of the main reasons the French rejected the treatry were:
1. Fear of Turkey joining.
2. Fear of Eastern European economic migrants.
In Britain the main concern is over loss of national sovereignity.
The French ae far more xenophobic and racist than we are.
People in the UK don't exactly have balanced sources though, it's all heavily biased to No (i.e. rags like the Mail) or...well....I can't actually think of any publication heavily pushing for a yes vote. There really needs to be a balanced debate about the whole thing.
Quite, for some reason the stereotype of the Polish plumber seems to strike fear into many French hearts, where as Londoners bloody love them.
Also, I 'm glad the French have expressed strong disagreement with regards to Turkey's entry.What does Turkey have to do with Europe???
No, I've read the front cover though.
About as much as Lithuania.
Also Turkish teams play in the Champions league don't they? And are in Eurovision...
Parts of it.It has too many loopholes & contradictions.It needs to be reviewed, no question about it.
Yes, but Israel and Russia are in the Eurovision so thats not a good example.
I 'd say the cultural gap between Europe & Turkey is much greater.
Why?
For fucks sake, no plan B...
That said, I am not so sure that I'd vote yes for the constitution either. I keep changing my mind.
True.But French guys are also more generous(emotionally) & romantic...let's not forget that.
I 'll elaborate later-need to go offline now.
One thing I would say about the yes camp (of which I consider myself part of, albeit not nearly as much as I used to) is that if the Constitution is simply 'a tidying up exercise' then it doesn't matter that much if it is not voted through is it? Why the panic?
Finally, I know some of you could say the same about people who voted for the other option, but I do feel that most of the people who voted No in France (and indeed most of the people who would vote No in here) are doing so for completely the wrong reasons- reasons which I shall not go into for the time being...