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Depends how you think of 'our'.........
In the end I referred to Madge Noon's post.
This one just naturally hits closer to home, being that
a - I had just got in from a night out, where the biggest worry was getting hold of a taxi and not falling in my new heels
b - I have a cousin who spends her weekends in Tel-Aviv
Believe it or not, me agreeing with Madge Nóon has nothing to do with our differences. I don't abide by my "enemies" enemy is my friend.
I just sincerely thought that her post was what everyone should remember.
Yes, I do understand where you are coming from, but so far I haven't seen her doing any of the above mentioned things, and you therefore can't presume I will boycott every new user you have a dislike towards just cause you say it. After all, I didn't offer her my lifelong friendship but merely welcomed her opinions to the board.
The posters I disagree with the most, show me more respect than that.
Israeli fanatics? Yeah they are the obvious suspects. :rolleyes:
Does it really matter who did it? It was a palestinian terrorist, of one of the above groups.
Ah dont be such a big girl!
Its just the internet you big pansy.
Top marks for sexism anyway.
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Not the obvious suspects - analyze the Palestinians. There are desperate for peace, and this has happened and they don't know who did it. They're looking at every possibility - that includes that some Israeli who wants a full-blown conflict which results in Palestine being wiped off the map actually attacked his own people to do this.
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Does it really matter who did it? It was a palestinian terrorist, of one of the above groups.[/QUOTE]
They've all denied it where they would not normally have. They want peace to - they are fighting a war with Israel they know they cannot win. If Israel chooses to they could easily occupy all of Palestine by tonight. These people are just desperate - they have had their families etc killed and have nothing left to live for except revenge. We should thank our blessings that the new Palestinian leadership is able, to an extent, to control them.
Oh and I think it's VERY unlikely that an Israeli did this TheShyBoyInTheCorner.
Well, whilst its true that more forces could be put in, Israel has been occupying all of Palestine since 1967!!!
And, for the vast majority of Palestinians it is a desire for justice that keeps them going .... the militants have been pushed, by a widespread public desire for peace, to bring about a cessation of violence.
It appears that, for now, the Israeli military will restrain itself from committing a revenge attack, and that the PA have acted promptly to arrest responsible persons.
The question for many Palestinians now is whether they have a partner for peace - something that will be judged by what Israel does on the ground, both in Gaza and the West Bank.
I think Mustafa Barghouti sums it up very eloquently:
Allowing extremists to derail the peace process would be a vote against peace.
So would clinging onto the West Bank settlements.
btw it is such an ultra-left poseur cliche to start smearing people as "racist" who don't agree with them. it is an extremely cynical attack, used to stifle debate. Just so people are clear I am not racist, even though I disagree with people.
Conspiracy theory innuendo? You might as well start repeating Mohammed Dahlans analysis that it might be Israeli fanatics... :rolleyes:
Just to reiterate, its not ok for anyone to kill civilians, be they Israeli or Palestinian. It is sickening though that it is a numbers game to some people. One civilian murdered is one civilian too many. Comparing casualty figures to apologise for terror is disgusting.
My question would be to people who use this argument is this: Why the comparison of casualty figures?
You either think that murdering civilians is an unjustifiable crime, or you don't.
PS "sources" like IMEMC, any PNA website, ISM, zmag, counterpunch and any blog are NOT reputable or creditable sources. Using mainstream, reputable news organisations is surely not too much of a stretch.
If we are being impartial here, how about you remind everyone what prompted that occupation in 1967? Given that much of the land was formally part of Jordan - and you don't seem to mind that they were occupying that land originally...
Aaaah but you see they'll claim that mainstream media is under the thumb of the Jewish overlord making them terribly anti palestinian.
Anyone read that article about the anti-Israel bias at the BBC? Theyve commissioned something like 25 documentaries on the Middle East conflict in the past decade and something like 23 were presented as pro-palestinian.
Not that I care or think this is a bad thing, the BBC obviously have a point and there are injustices being committed. But it just goes to show that the media really aren't pro Israel in many cases.
Yes. What exactly happened to cause them to occupy the land? The Arab agressors attacked in order to try and wipe Israel from the map.
Doesn't make their occupation right, but it isn't as one sided as you say.
Sorry, but where exactly have I ever said that I didn't mind that Jordan was occupying Palestine?
Cos I don't recall ever having thought about it.
Why don't you remind us what prompted it. Cos I'm pretty certain that you and I don't have the same ideas about that.
Sorry, as there had been no condemnation of the fact that there hasn't been a free-Palestine - ever - meant that I assumed something. Epescially as you only condemned Israel for their occupation and made no mention of the fact that this land didn't belong to a Palestine state in 1967 anyway...
That figures. Easier just to abuse Israel, isn't it?
Me neither
What I see as an act of agression by a neighbouring Arab nation (or rather by more than one neighbour), you would probably see as defensive.
So, why don't you explain what happened, seeing as you are condemning Israel for their occupation...
Because we all know how impartial they are :rolleyes:
More impartial than crazy loons posting on the web though!
NBC/FOX are CRAP. But CNN and Sky aren't that bad. Not good, but not that bad either.
But there are other reliable sections of the mainstream media.
Damn, I nearly fell off my chair.
Very few, and I include the BBC in that...
Oh my, is Jordan still occupying Palestine? No. 1967 was a whole 37 years ago - but if I do think about I would say they had no right to annexe Palestine, a view shared by most of the world at the time.
If you have any sources that show that the Jordanian occupation of Palestine took the same form, inward transfer of Jordanian civilians, control of the aquifers, dispossession and cantonisation I would be genuinely interested to see it. And, of course, we haven't even started looking at the Ottoman or British occupations, have we? Teel you what, I'll state categorically that I'm against all occupations. That should speed things up somewhat.
I am having a little difficulty in seeing where you're going with this one. Are we leading up to "Occupation is justified because Palestine has always been occupied"? ..... cos that view kinda died out with colonialism. Somewhere along the line, the right to self-determination became a guiding principle.
On then to the heavily disputed causes of the 1967 war:
Yes, yes, I know Chomsky's a lefty - but I've yet to see proof that he lied.
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One would think that Rabin, Begin and Weitzman knew what they were talking about. No?
Talking about "impartial" or not is a classic strawman attack. I didn't mention the impartiality or otherwise of news sources.
Actually that's not where I was going.
The point I was making is that you only ever condemn that actions of Israel, yet over look any reason why they may choose to act in that way.
I'm not defending them, and I won't defend the terrorists. You cannot say the same.
Hey, fuckwit. I can see the difference.
Doesn't mean that none of them have a bias...
BTW Why are you still using Madge Noon as your ID. Pathetic.
I'll repeat the edit - I'm against all occupations. Hope that helps.
The majority of Palestinians have NEVER engaged in any acts of violence against any other party.
The use of the term "terrorists" is meant to blind people to reality, and it does it very succesfully on the whole. Where does it take us? How does it move us towards a peaceful resolution? Are you unaware that many colonised peoples have engaged in armed struggle to gain their "liberation"?
Personally I cannot see any proposal which will bring a solution. There are two completely diverse stances, each backed up with force, neither apparently wanting to back down...
What about Mustafa Barghouti's proposal above?