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Ilora x
Good question, I had to ask myself as it's an overwhelming feeling I get instantly. I care far more for most animals than most people and an even par with those people I care for. Anyone that could consider dressing themselves using animals that are only used for fur and tht are treated disgustingly, repulses me.
I cant even read most articles of animals being mistreated as it severely distresses me and that's coming from someone who considers herself very tough cookie in most situations.
what do you you feed the animals in the house?
no ...the pets of course!
and our super shops have a billion square feet of it for sale while seven tenths of the people in our great modern world ...are hungry.
I've wear my moleskins when I go beating/shoooting. Poor moles!
Leather acounts for half the slaughterhouses profit in a lot of cases, so it's not merely a by product. can't find the link just now, but in some countries, such as india, leather exports counted for a little over half the profit in the cattle industry, and is recognised as being at least as important, and not just something that's left over after they get the meat.
Stargalaxy - You said you eat chicken, unless free range, also kept in tiny cages. same as turkeys which was mentioned in your post.
Also, don't forget the horrible conditions that lots of egg laying chickens and dairy cows can be kept in, so you won't want to be consuming dairy products of eggs either will you?
Good luck by the way finding a decent pair of smart black shoes which lasts and isn't made of leather should the need ever arise.
anyways, bedtime, all i can be bothered to write at the moment.
And Stargalaxy and everyone else moaning about how terrible it is, there are WORSE things. Colgate and Johnson's torture and experiment on animals in cages etc so we can have lovely clean teeth, hair, and spot free skin.
I think that's worse than skinning a few animals. Although I don't agree with it, I'm not gonna get my knickers in a twist about it. This sort of business happened before any of us were born and it won't change now.
So you're saying there is no ethical difference between killing a human and killing a mink?
so, ok, i'm a hypocrite by wearing leather. though i also boycott a lot of companies i know that do animal testing and i wouldn't go out and buy fur because i don't want to support the industry. on the other hand, we all need shoes, and then you ahve to way up what is worse.....people slaving over your trainers in china or india, being payed a crap wage, living in very poor conditions, posibly being beaten to work as well...or a cow dying for the sake of your new DM's that have been made in england to someone who's getting a desent wage, living in a nice house, and having a resonable life.
you can go and be cold and become ill by being a vegan, or you can do what you can within your ability. I don't eat much meat, but when i can i buy free range, but again it's a thing of whether i can afford it, i'm not going to not have milk, bread and all the other things i need just so i can have one free range chicken. instead, i buy my cosmetics and things from lush and the body shop, so that some animals won't have to suffer.
at the end of the day it's a case of do you swerve off the road too miss a deer which could cause you crash your car, or swerving slightly hoping that you miss it but with a possiblity that you might not, or just running straight into it.
your choice.....
How does being vegan make you cold and ill?
Personally, I don't eat meat, wear leather, or fur. Only dairy products which I try to buy free range/locally if I can.
Oh, for shoes Vegetarian Shoes have good non-leather shoes.
It doesn't unless you are being silly with veganism (?). My ex flatmate is vegan and she is really healthy and normal looking. Eats well and looks really good.
However, back on topic, I wouldn't buy a fur coat because I don't like them. I don't like fake fur either. I never had a problem with people wearing fur coats etc because otherwise I would be hypocritical as I enjoy my meat.
However, as has been stated, I would rather the animals are well kept but at the same time, it doesn't really affect me either way *shrugs*
Some of those anti fur/anti animal testing people really nark me.
Ethically, no. Killing is killing.
Logically, yes. Animals are tasty.
I hope anyone with any sense would swerve. Deers are fucking big and crashing into one would totally own your car.
How can it not? There've been tonsa cases of people being vegan, and year later developing all sorts of crazy shit.
Not so long as a month ago I read about a guy who was vegan for four years and ended up completely blind due to lack of vitamins and minerals he would have got if he ate meat like normal people.
Bad idea.
Generally tree's and other cars would 'own' your car more. I've hit several deer and yes they do make a mess of your car, but at least nobody else was injured.
Deer just don't stand still you know? Lights dazzle animals and they very rarely stay still.
Best bet is to just do an E Stop.
they don't get ill cause they're vegans. they get ill cause they don't eat properly.
you can survive quite adequately without animal products, but you have to eat a range of foods. nibbling on a few carrots won't cut it. beans and pulses, tofu, soya milk, all that jazz.
I said swerve, not spin the wheel and dive off the road. Also, roads with deer etc. on are generally country roads. When is there ever any other cars around on country roads? I assume, as you're already swerving to avoid a deer, you'd also be smart enough to come to the conclusion that smashing into a car also = bad.
I wasn't meaning all vegans end up like that, I meant that's how you can get it from being vegan.
Also, to eat properly you're meant to include meat/dairy products in your diet as well as fruit/veg/the rest of that crap. Seems way more hassle than it's worth tbh.
A lot of meat eaters are lacking in most vitamins too because noone seems to have any idea about nutrition these days.
As I said deer don't stay still, and they often cross the road in large numbers.
I live in an area where there are thousands of animals roaming quite freely, and I have to deal with animals on the road on a daily basis.
Trust me when I say it is safer to hit the deer than it is to try and swerve.
And if you don't believe me do a search on google and you'll find the advice always given is not to swerve.
The most serious incidents often occur when people try to avoid the deer.
Don't believe you? I don't care. I wasn't expecting someone to jump on my comment seeing as it had nothing to do with the thread.
I don't care. Want a whole thread on the subject?
You make such an effort to be right all the time I had to point out that you were infact wrong.
It's better if people don't believe you in thinking that swerving is the best course of action.
No. Like I said, I don't care.
Uhh... and what? Why would I make an effort to be wrong? You're the one who makes too much of an effort to try and prove me wrong every time you see a few discrepencies. When was the last time you posted in the fashion forum anyway?
I was making a smart arse comment. I didn't make it factually correct as I didn't think you'd be lurking in the bushes all "OH WELL ACTUALLY KIEZO!".
(Noone cares.)
What I meant was that you have problems admiting when you are wrong -even on subjects as trivial as this you have to come back with smart arse replies. You're the one who's dragged this out. Stop being Mr Angry.
And it took no 'effort' what so ever to prove you wrong.
What has that got to do with anything?
I come back with smart arse replies 'cause I'm a smart arse. My original comment was a smart arse reply, yet for some reason you took it seriously.
WTF? You didn't prove me wrong. That's like some prick claiming they proved a joke wrong 'cause it's factually incorrect.
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Are you even paying attention? K here's a hint - itwas in the same paragraph as "Uhh... and what? Why would I make an effort to be wrong? You're the one who makes too much of an effort to try and prove me wrong every time you see a few discrepencies.", so it's logical to assume it had something to do with that.