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ok, i'm also a huge bikini kill fan, and was brought up among riot grrls so......please excuse me.
but, here in spain domestic violence is a HUGE problem, so much so that there are about 5 different campaigns going on nationwide, TV, billboards, newspapers, everything has adverts pointing it out.
ok, so we have come an long way, but we still have a long way to go.
So women today don't need to stay at home all day and devote their lives to having children. That's a good thing. But when most don't even want to have any, there's a big problem IMO. What if someday no woman in the world (okay, in one country) don't want children? Are the people supposed to disappear just because of that?
Of course, this could be just like the realization of a new freedom, like when you tell a child that he's now old enough go out of the house alone and he spends all day out because it's something he never could do before. But eventually he'll realize it's not all that great as it seemed before, and return to normal "schedule".
If that's the way the whole of women as a social group work now, maybe balance will return by itself when long enough a time has passed.
And I certainly hope I don't get misinterpreted.
Blagsta, no offense here, but having read what's been said it's like you're trying to overanalyse what he's said and pick him up on something he hasn't said.
Apollo, you've got some good points, but on balance I prefer our society nowadays. I think we need to let women know that it's not a waste if they want to have a family and be a family woman - most mothers will probably tell you having a family is the most rewarding thing they've done in their life.
It's good on the grounds of overpopulation, but there are many other factors that influence it and I don't beelive overall that people not having children is a good thing. But perhaps that's just me.
What is "natural"? How can you divorce behaviour from the social context it is in?
I'm reacting to the language used. If apollo wants to argue a point he needs to think about what language he uses.
Does it?
What are those sex roles though? How are they defined? What meanings are attached to them? Who defines the meaning? What is the power structure? How can we can we say what the "natural" roles are? These meanings and roles are rooted in society and culture, so it is meaningless to try and define them as some kind of absolute "natural" thing.
P.S.
My girlfriend thinks you're a wazzock.
Where are women trying to "take the man's role"? What is the man's role? What is the woman's role? You seem unable to say.
i'm not saying you can, i'm just saying that maybe behaviour is a pre determined trait from the start and that the social context it is in is a hinderance to their role or whatever and unbeneficial to human evolution, therefore being unnatural. i'm not saying i believe this shit i'm just saying it might be true.
I only said that since/if the population needs to get lesser, society as a whole (which sometimes functions like an organism) started procreating less to control this. It's just an idea.
I didn't say it was because of feminism, nor that there's any "evil will" behind it. That's what YOU said.
For the biological aspects of raising a child, a man is practically only needed for a few seconds. A woman is needed for a year to say the least.
~Disclaimer: I don't agree with apollo. I'm only saying that some parts of what he says have a point.~
Well yes, thats obvious. Apollo's argument however seems to be that men are men and women are women. A = A. Which is true but doesn't tell us anything at all. What does it mean to be a man or woman? What roles do they play in relation to the society and economic conditions they are in? Who has power over who? In what circumstances? And why? Where does that power come from?
Things only have meanings in relation to other things. To try and consider gender roles without any social context is pointless. Men and women do not exist in a vacuum.
meaning man has to graft and provide ...the woman would be in a delicate position ...when the child arrived it would need years and years and years and years and years and years of nurturing.
meaning ...men have always had to dig ...hunt shovel fend decide ...whats so hard to understand?
The rate of death is higher than the rate of birth.
I don't see how that can be a good thing.
Famillies should be encouraged to have more kids in this country - if that means that women have to stay at home more so be it.
Please explain what you think feminism is.
all i see feminism as is belief in equality for women.....
thats why i dont beleive in it, cause i believe in a more generic equality that covers more than sex, whilst realising people are different and see different roles as fulfilling
i think the equality feminism entails is not one of a machine race but equality in their treatment which is fair enough but i don't like alot of women who claim to be feminist but just hate men, it undermines the movement and causes further friction, legally, their equal, but unofficially the gap is growing in certain area.