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And more dangerous.
Well they do. It's well documented that certain hunts dig artificial earths to sustain the fox population to keep their hunts going. Look it up, its well known.
Bollocks does it have to be done at night. Hill packs use hounds to flush foxes and then they shoot them. It's a common hunting method in Wales and the Lake District.
Most farmers will shoot foxes if they have a problem. Hunts are about socialising and having a ride cross country. End of.
More succesful than hunting with hounds. If you knew anything at all about fox hunting, you'd know how inefficent it is.
Oh yeah, I got mugged by one only last week. :rolleyes:
whoops! contradiction anyone?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/hunt/Story/0,2763,651782,00.html
http://www.labouranimalwelfaresociety.org/gary/Aticles%20updated/The%20royals%20and%20the%20rotten%20carcasses.htm
Perhaps it should be you who should "shut up".
But why didn't you post this when asked for it? or did you have to trawl the bottom of the barrel?
Where? I'm saying that shooting is more efficient than traditional hunting with hounds. Hill packs (iirc) use hounds to flush and then they shoot (although it's been a long time since I used to take an active interest in hunting).
Its a common practice of hunts. You should know this.
Fell hunts don't ride. They don't dress up.
The best reason for banning it appears to be renzokuken's at the minute: ban it because posh people do it. That is what the agenda is for many on the left who are against fox hunting, it has nothing to do with the "rights" of the fox, who all these socialists would kick into next week if it attacked their pets.
Three good reasons why fox hunting should be banned, please.
Aladdin, you have managed to "prove" Blagsta's claim with a link to a partisan website (who have not been shy of lying in the past) and a link to an opinion piece in the Guardian published over two years ago.
If it happens it is disgraceful, but I remain skeptical.
I think if we're gonna complain about cruelty we should at least make an effort to eat animal friendly and to use cosmetics not tested on animals as best we can.... Not saying you guys don't though.
Anyway foxhunting... I'd have no problem with if the hunters ate the fox. Otherwise it's a waste of an animal. End of.
I don't eat at them. I saw videos in school:yes:
No fell hunts don't dress up. So?
But yes, fox hunting is a class issue. How could it not be?
I don't eat in those places. But there is a difference between killing to eat and killing for fun.
But I'm not that bothered these days about hunting - there are far more important things to worry about. I just wish, however, that the pro-hunt lobby would give up the pretence that it's about anything other than fun.
So you're for a ban to hunt with hounds. And yet support the method of hunting where hounds are used to flush out foxes which are shot.
Are you having trouble understanding what it is you are posting today.
Do you think that the ban only affects the tradtional Hunt, with the scarlet coats, silly horn and cross-country riding?
As I said before, of course the Hunt would be fine if they went out and hated every second of it.
No, that is not what I'm saying at all. I saying that some hunts do shoot and its not as hard as you make out. Fell packs do not hunt for social reasons (although it is a social event, but its not a herd of screaming toffs like traditional hunts), it is done out of what hill farmers perceive as neccesity.
You're missing the point. The point is - traditional hunts are unneccesary and inefficent.
ok, so your actual problem with the Hunt is that you think they're all contenders for upper-class twit of the year.
Congratulations your bigoted, prejudiced side shows once again.
They're not unneccessary they're pest control and how does efficiency affect you? (Not to mention, how does it affect you at all)
But why didn't you post this when asked for it? or did you have to trawl the bottom of the barrel? [/B][/QUOTE]
1. I didn't post it originally.
2. I can't spend the whole day glued to the computer
Did I say that? No. But class is a factor.
Class is a factor for banning something? Care to explain that one to me?
Whether that pest control is actually necessary is debatable. But I'm showing you that shooting can be used and the pomp and circumstance of hunts is unnecessary.
Shooting can be used, and in many cases should be. Though, then again, shooting can't always be effective- if MAFF trained marksmen can't shoot a cow from ten paces, and they showed three years ago that they can't- then I don't trust them to hit foxes. They seem quite good at hitting people, but that's a different story.
If the social aspect of the hunt is what is bothering you, then again we are back to the argument that if they hated it then it's perfectly acceptable.
I didn't say it was a factor in whether it should be banned or not, but it does factor into the debate. Traditional working class bloodsports have been banned (cock fighting, badger baiting etc), but not upper class bloodsports. Fox hunting is one of the last vestiges of our outdated class system. Land ownership and class are intimately tied together in our history.
If it was approached as a necessary evil (although as I said, its debatable as to whether it is necessary at all) then it might not be so bad. But to actually revel in killing is wrong IMO.
The ere fact that this is being debated at all only serves to show the disunity of Blairs party. The fact that he needs to legislate against such a irrelevent issue as this one to distract his party and appease the Left is pathetic.
If you try and look at it from a non-biased point of view, the ban does make sense, but only politically. Animal rights aside (they are only a human concept, after all) then it would make more sense not to upset all the people who do like fox hunting. Whilst I don't beleive the ludicrous claims that the whole countryside will be crippled, there will be some implications. Dogs will be shot, and hunting horses will probably be sold off to retirement or something. Those who have made a lot of money by supporting the fox hunt won't have this income anymore.
The actual hunt, the chasing of dogs to suffocate a fox by tearing it apart (dogs dont do the bite to the neck, they're pack hunters and bring prey down by weight of numbers - cats do though hence why they have huge canines) has upset loads of people. About 2 thirds of every person in Britain (countryside and city, it's not just the people in cities who have apparently never seen the countryside who hate it) dislikes the sport, because they can't beleive that the government they elected in power allows people to chase around small animals with large packs of big, slow ones to rip them apart.
So the government has to appease the majority (2/3 anti) by voting in accordance. MPs will be receiving their lobbying from pro and anti people, but it's a war of numbers, that's how democracy works. And I'm sorry to say if the other third don't like it well, they can go stuff themselves. Or change the government.
The tories haven't been spouting their usual anti-labour stuff by saying 'vote for us and we'll legalise it again' because they know that perhaps that 1/3 will vote for them, but the other 2/3 will make sure not to.
That's my perspective on it anyway, I get frustrated when everyone insists they're right and has to start calling each other names or what not because they don't agree. If you lived in a house in Spain, lets say, with 5 other people, and 2 of them really hated the wild cats and started killing them, well putting it in proportion with Britain, the other 4 think it's cruel to just kill them, even if they do rummage through the bin bags etc, so tell the 2 people to stop it. If they don't, they'll meet further consequences. Though I think in Britain the police have no power whatsover to stop hunting should people just carry on - they'll be completely outnumbered.