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Lol, It's in the New Testament someway after in this order, the Gospels, Acts, Romans --> Galatians is the book immediatly before it.
Mainly because it was written 3000 years ago, thats what life was like.
So you're some sort of scholar of the koran are you? Al-Queda's philosophies follow an interpretation of the koran which, if you look at the actual koran, provides countenance for their actions.
Then youve read hardly anything.
I agree, the star character was nothing but open, compasionate and loving for every person He met. For the outcast scum of society to the religious leaders and soldiers who finally brought about his brutal (and illegal) death, he loved and forgave.
I'm more a believer that spirituality is a way of life a person walks by themself... consisting of ideals, archtypes, hopes and fears. A belief in something above the material.
Religion is structured... there's a Dogma, a set of rules in which to live by, group worship on certain dates in certain locations and so on... in my opinion.
Islam (from what I understand) like many religions is, at it's heart, peaceful, or at least peaceful under the majority interpretation. There is a clause for Jihad, holy war, it's just a question of how it's qualified, Al Qaeda are waging Jihad.
The fundamental aspects of Islam can be easily interpreted to justify al-queda's actions, i.e. western 'non-believers' interfering with middle eastern affairs.
Of course mainstream politicians will never admit that is so, unless they fancy getting booted out their party.
Really? Which aspects?
Well let me put it this way, there's plenty of quotes which can be taken from the koran and back al-queda's actions.
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter"
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful"
Any religion can be used to justify anything if need be.
Donkey, read it properly. We, as in the West, did. We attacked an islamic country, or interfered with islamic affairs and thereby attacked Allah or His Messengers on Earth.
Isreal, backed by the West? Not to mention the current debacles going on in iraq and afghanistan.
The Catholic Church has been responsible for persecution and conflict throughout history, yep.
My impression of Islam, however, is that it's aggressive by nature, which coupled with the kind of theocratic, backward society where it rules, you've got a reciple for disaster.
Not all Islamic people believe the same things y'know. There are many different flavours, like there are many different flavours of Christianity.
And Bush is a fundamentalsit Christian, waging a war in Iraq based on religous motives.
Criticise Islam by all means, but also criticise other religions for the same thing.
The catholic church has also been responsible for starting of hospitals and charities. Let's try to be balanced shall we?
Islam was the first religion to give rights to women for example
In a truly Islamic society women have the following rights in Islam:
The right and duty to obtain education.
The right to have their own independent property.
The right to work to earn money if they need it or want it.
Equality of reward for equal deeds.
The right to participate fully in public life and have their voices heard by those in power.
The right to provisions from the husband for all her needs and more.
The right to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.
The right to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply can't stand him.
The right to keep all her own money (she is not responsible to maintain any relations).
The right to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.
and more...
It wasn't until the last hunded years that western women had real access to these kind of rights.
It's hardly backward.
Article/essay detailing womens rights in Islam
And we went to war with theirs, what's the difference?
That's why it depends upon interpretation!
It does say a truely Islamic state, and for a long time, in all islamic states, the list above was the norm.
I already have, the topic was specifically Islam, however. I don't feel the need to try and dilute my criticism just to be appear "PC".
Actually the topic is about religion in general. I think that being PC is not necessarily what's important trying to be balanced is.
The organised RC Church looks after itself and nothing more.
There's plenty of quotes from the koran which totally contradict that article.
I refute that entirely, the first people to care for those suffering from leprosy were Catholic Nuns, Mother Teresa was a RC Nun, as were the sisters in her bases in calcutta.
Proof? Sources? You make a statement like that, provide some backing.
Oh come on, individuals have done good deeds yes, as an institution the whole thing is corrupt. How do you explain the RC Church's backing of fascism against socialist democracy during the 30's as a means of keeping their wealth from the hands of the proles?
You want some proof although it seems that standard doesn't apply to yourself looking at your quote?
According to the "The Meanings Of The Holy Qur'an" by Abdullah Yusufali...
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). "
"004.091 AN-NISA (WOMEN)
Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them."
Direct quotes from the koran -
" 4:34
"Men have authority over women because Allah has made one superior to the other...Good women are obedient...As for those from whom you fear disobedience...beat them"
"4:15-16
"If an of your women commit fornication...testify to their guilt confine them to their houses till death overtakes them or till Allah finds another way for them."
Is that enough lol
None of the quotes suggest that the womens rights do not also apply, only that their men, husbands, fathers, brothers, sons, are superior.
I will not excuse the actions of the RC Church where it has ignored genocide or silently supported slavery. If you read eariler in the thread you'll I haven't done it, and have explained why religion fails sometimes. But the RC Church as an institution has sent people out in the spirit of aid and service.
Well, what kind of rights do they have when their husbands can beat them, and they're basically rejected by society for having an affair?
The RC Church has not only ignored genocide, it has been directly responsible for it! I really can't be bothered debating it further, what i will say is the Marxist stance on organised religion is pretty accurate and it's something you should look at before supporting the RC church's action throughout history so blindly.
What on earth are you on about?
I support nothing blindly, go read previous posts.
The women have all the rights aforementioned, they are only beaten by their husbands if they are disobediant, and only if they ignore verbal chatisment. Why shouldn't they be rejected for having an affair? When they've brought shame upon their own family. It's not as bad as the rules in Judasim which is when a woman is found guilty of adultery is stoned to death, and doesn't have nearly the same kind of rights as a similar woman in Islam.
I understand what you mean, depth of arguement can be so time consuming.