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Abortions

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
I was reading this thread: http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60108
And it made me feel sick.
I think it's unbelieveable that a girl of thirteen (recently in the papers) was allowed to have an abortion with out anyone telling her parents. Her mother found out when she read it in her diary.
What do you think about abortions?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I believe in a woman's right to choose.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So not giving babys the chance of life for no real reason is ok with you then?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A foetus is not a baby.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Abortions
    Originally posted by Makaveli UK

    What do you think about abortions?

    I think having a baby at 13 is pretty silly, so yes i agree with termination as long as its for the right reasons.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry she was fifteen not 13.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    I believe in a woman's right to choose.

    What about if you were in a stable relationship and your partner decided to have a termination, do you not think you should play some part in the decision making ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why does it mostly seem to be men that are so vociferously against abortion?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just because it made you 'feel sick' I think it was a bit unfair of you to pick out a specific thread on the issue as the people asking questions are members of these boards. Just my thoughts.

    My own thoughts to abortion? I'm pro-choice. Sadly, many people think that being pro-choice automatically means you'd have an abortion or you'd *always* recommend someone else have an abortion in the face of an unplanned pregnancy. I support a woman's right to choose between having an abortion or NOT having an abortion.

    I'm going to teach sex ed in a few weeks at a girls school, so I kind of feel I'm 'doing my bit' so to speak in prevention.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Makaveli UK
    Sorry she was fifteen not 13.

    even 15 she is still far too you to take full responsibility for a newborn baby.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    What about if you were in a stable relationship and your partner decided to have a termination, do you not think you should play some part in the decision making ?

    Of course my feelings should be taken into consideration. But at the end of the day, its the woman who gives birth, its ultimately her decision. What would I do otherwise? Force her to give birth? I don't think so.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Some one in my class had a kid at 13, she had to be home schooled so she could look after her son but has retuned for exams I bet she is happy she didint have an abortion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Of course my feelings should be taken into consideration. But at the end of the day, its the woman who gives birth, its ultimately her decision. What would I do otherwise? Force her to give birth? I don't think so.

    nah I was just curious, because if you were a couple then I personally think its really a decision made by the pair of you.

    Hey we finally agree on something ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Makaveli UK
    Some one in my class had a kid at 13, she had to be home schooled so she could look after her son but has retuned for exams I bet she is happy she didint have an abortion.

    Has she got parents who are prepared to pack in work to look after this baby ?
    Has she got parents who can afford to keep a newborn baby ?

    she is a child herself and let me assure you even if you have a baby in your 30's its bloody hard work so all I can say is she must have lots of help and support.

    How do you know she is happy ? because she smiles at school ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rachie004
    of course every circumstance is different, but I definately think prevention is better than 'cure'

    True story this is :
    Friend of mine fell pregnant with pill, she then had a coil fitted as she wanted no more children, she fell pregnant again she already had 2 children by this time the youngest being 5 months so she had a termination. Sometime later she was sterilised by having clips on her tubes.........she then fell pregnant, even after a sterilisation.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rachie004
    holy crap :crazyeyes

    yeah straight up, she now has had her tubes totally cut so she cant have any more. The first sterilisation was clips on her tubes and apparently one came off and she fell pregnant.

    Talk about being unlucky.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rachie004
    personally I don't like the idea of abortions..

    I don't think anyone does. But women should have the option there if necessary.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    I don't think anyone does. But women should have the option there if necessary.

    agreed

    oh damn I told myself not to wander into the abortion thread because it is just one of those things that can never be resolved by a simple 'im right your wrong' argument............
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rachie004
    yeah but you'll awalys get someone saying it

    unfortunately :( ah well different folks different strokes...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Makaveli UK
    So not giving babys the chance of life for no real reason is ok with you then?

    Please give more substance to your arguements.

    I am pro abortion, for a few reasons. Firstly for the care of the mother, a woman has to put herself first and if a child will ruin her health then she may not be a fit mother to look after it. Primary socialisation is paramount to a growing child and without real attachments forming then the child may grow up with a higher likelihood of mental health problems and dysfunctional behaviour (see any work by Bowlby).

    Secondly do you know what happens when a junkie gives birth? she gives birth to another junkie. Do you like the idea of a junkie baby? Who could in all likelihood die of neglect anyhow?

    Thirdly population and economics. Say abortion was outlawed then there would be more benefits payed out to single parent teenagers or whatever and less going in to the NHS.

    There's a difference between life and existance in my opinion. And if a child isn't going to have a good quality of life then it's cruel to bring it in to the world.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Abortions
    Originally posted by Makaveli UK
    I think it's unbelieveable that a girl of thirteen (recently in the papers) was allowed to have an abortion with out anyone telling her parents. Her mother found out when she read it in her diary.
    What do you think about abortions?

    Why should her parents have been told?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Abortions
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    Why should her parents have been told?

    Cos she is a minor ?

    Personally i feel that the parents should have been told, she would be having an operation so its the parent/guardian who consents ?
    God fobid anything happened whilst she was under anastetic but what if something did happen ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Abortions
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Cos she is a minor ?

    Personally i feel that the parents should have been told, she would be having an operation so its the parent/guardian who consents ?
    God fobid anything happened whilst she was under anastetic but what if something did happen ?

    And what happens if, say, the girl's father is completely against abortions, and refuses? What then?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I cant think of this topic without "every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good!" going through my head.

    "Because we cant afford to keep you we're giving you away for scientific experiments."

    I am definately pro-choice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    "every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good!"

    Where is that from? Was it Monty Python or something, I've heard it around a couple of times.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    From the Monty Python film "Meaning of Life"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yep Monty Python.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Abortions
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Cos she is a minor ?

    Personally i feel that the parents should have been told, she would be having an operation so its the parent/guardian who consents ?
    God fobid anything happened whilst she was under anastetic but what if something did happen ?

    They still have no right to this information. Confidentiality is a vital component of the medical profession.

    If the doctor considers that you understand the risks associated wit hthe procedure then you can consent to have it carried out regardless of you age.

    As for something happeneing whilst she was under anaesthetic, surely this could equally happen if her parents knew about the operation?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Abortion should be allowed but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

    It's not too hard to "be careful" nowadays.
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