TERRORIST ATTACK WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS IN NY!!!

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Balddog, of course I realise Britain's America's ally and therefore we are already in a risky situation, I haven't forgotten about all the American Air bases and stuff. BUT the latest official intelligence does suggest that Britain is not likly to be a target and you've got to admit that there isn't the same amount of middle Eastern hostility to Britain as there has been to America. All of the countries in NATO are possible targets and obv. America's allies, but Tony Blair seems to have reacted quicker than the rest in supporting any action America takes. I just think it's way too early to be getting trigger happy and reacting on blood lust.

East Herts btw.

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I was angry before, and saddened for the American people. But upon hearing from the PM today that hundreds of British people could be dead only strengthens my desire to see the bastards die. We found out in 1998 that attacking Bin Laden directly by taking out his training camps did fuck all. What should happen now is the systematic destruction of every military installation/power station/government building in Afghanistan. Once we've destroyed them all we should go about bringing an end to the Taliban regime and replacing it with the government they overthrew. And like Diesel says, if that doesnt work, we nuke the bastards. I seriously doubt Russia would stand in our way, more likely they would provide us with the nukes, their chance for revenge as well as ours.

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It makes no difference if any Brits were killed or not. Article 5 of NATO covers this eventuality - and attack on one is an attack on all. Fair enough, the whole world is aware of that agreement, so fuck 'em.

SecState Powell said that the US was at war with ALL terrorists and those who support them. Diesel - you are in the shit now mate <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt; Or do they mean those terrorists which don't vote in your elections? What about Noraid, or don't they count as an organistaion supporting terrorism?

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Hang on -who armed and financed these people?-the USA!
America basically was instrumental in building up large numbers of Islamic fighters in Afgahnistan during the 80s to fight the USSR -successfully.
Osama bin laden may or not been involved or any other group i have no idea.
But if America indiscriminitely attacks Afghanistan or Iraq it will be a major mistake .Just more angry orphans,more outrages.
Some of the terrorists issues need to be resolved eg the palestininians and the corrupt super rich gulf states but hard-line islamism is never going to make it big in london.

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Diesel, I know that in the past the British goveernment has terrorised Ireland and forced its people off their land, but that was done by the British government not by the British people. The ordinary British people have never done anything to hurt the Irish so why should they be bombed and maimed. Can't you see there is a difference between the government of a country and its people. Just because they were born in Britain does not make them guilty of what happened to the Irish. The ordinary citizens of Britain never decided amongst themselves to terrorise Ireland the government did.

Your call for retribution against Islamic countries is also stupid. What have the ordinary citizens of these countries got to do with yesterdays terrorist attacks. Also why do you think these terrorist attacks took place in the first place, because of stupid narrow minded people like you who can't differenciate between the government of a country and its people. They had suffered in their countries because of US foreign policy and wanted to hit back at America, but they were so narrow minded like you that they thought that ordinary American citizens were a legitimate target.

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I just took a taxi home with an Afghani driver tonight who was very much against the Taliban but was quite clear that they were armed with american weapons and equipment when he left.He was against American retaliation because it would probably mean large civilian casualties.
The Americans would never embark on a ground assault because if the red army couldnt defeat them what chance have the usa got.
Just random missiles-with loads more ordinary people dying.

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They financed them at the time because they saw communism as a bigger threat, and never imagined that the Islamic terrorists would be able to attack a country as distant as the USA. But that isnt the point, the point is the terrorists decided to fuck with the USA, Britain and NATO as a whole. Only people who are extremely desperate attack a nation described by the Japanese general during Pearl Harbour as a "sleeping giant". The terrorists have woken this giant up, and at the same time have sent shock waves throughout the west. If there is a war, it won't be the USA against Islam, it will be NATO against Islam, and the Eastern countries as a whole. People comment on how much of the world's population lives in the East, they just fail to realise that the USA, Britain and Europe have lots of submarines, in each one there is a big red button with NUKE written on it. I hope those fools in Afghanistan realise what they did, and hope they turn their backs in time.

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soapbarpy, after we, US, attack...there won't be any orphans.

The neuclear submarines have all left Bangor, WA, USA...armed...safer at sea...so they say!

islam, this war's for you! You wanted it, you started it, US will end it...and I doubt that even Mecca will escape the wrath of hellfire and damnation (being nice, hope those aren't horror words over there).

You do have to admit that that is one beautiful nuke flower, yes!

Diesel

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Lets hope they don't spend to much time talking about it, find the terrorists and anyone who helped them and then destroy.

No nukes just napalm.

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i'm with mindless all the way.

it has acually hurt me very much as my best mates 2 cousins were in the twin towers when they went down. so i ahve abosolutley no sympathy for any sicko who could do this.

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For those who care...I personally do not blame the individual...the problem is that the citizenry supports the government or it doesn't exist...the mulla didn't just suddenly say something like..."lets come up with a load of crap to keep the crowds under our control..." The 'crowds' raised them up to be their leaders, etc.

More flowers for our Afgan-boquet:



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Military equipment has come along way since the Russians fought them. The Russian equipment is sub-standard anyway. Not to mention the fact that we were supporting them in their fight with Russia. Who the hell is going to support them now? Other raghead countries? I hope we do get in a ground war with those raghead. I want to personally put a 5.56mm round in the head of one of those cowardly bastards.

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"I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."

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Originally posted by Diesel:
Oops...guess I was wrong, the site does produce pictures...thought I was only posting the url to get there.


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I've deleted the images - they screw the boards up. If you must do it, please just post URLs, not the images themesleves.

Dom

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Thats exactly what the Arabs want too, they think we are cowardly by using long range bombers. Lets see how tough they are when they see a platoon of challenger and M1A1 tanks moving towards them, killing their scummy terrorist friends and relatives. Lets see how tough they are when American and British soldiers decide they don't give a shit how the war is portrayed on TV and start cutting their balls off and pouring oil down their throats. I'd like to see a fight between a scutty arab terrorist and a fully trained soldier any day. Bets anyone?

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p.s., just heard the death toll so far is in the region of 20,000.

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Hey all, the shit is really hitting the fan, i've just been watching sky news, and there was a quote from the joint chiefs of staff in the USA:
"we refuse to rule out the possibilty of using a tactical nuclear device in our retaliation..."
The way they see it, 2 planes full of fuel killing 20,000 people constitues a weapon of mass destruction, allowing them to respond with a weapon of mass destruction if they so choose.

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Against which specific target exactly??

Also, does can anyone confirm/deny that the other hi-jacked jets (if they were hi-jacked) were shot down by US fighter planes??

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On choice of weapon:

I think nukes are unlikely to be used. Yes, they are nicely destructive, but fallout is a bitch. I'm not sure what the wind is like in Afghanistan, but you can bet it would carry fallout to somewhere you didn't want it.

The Russians, of course, have already demonstrated the "clean nuke." It's called the thermobaric (lit. heat-pressure) bomb, also known as the fuel-air explosive. When it goes off, the surrounding air is sucked in with such force that it rips eyes out of sockets. The following blast wave and fireball rival a tactical (slight oxymoron if you ask me) nuclear yield.

On preventing future attacks:

Well, means, motive and opportunity.

I think we can agree that means and opportunity are so easy to come by in a free, industrial nation that nothing can be done.

Motive is a different matter entirely.

Presumably, the US govt. would hope that any counterstrike would serve to deter future attacks by its sheer power. Well, maybe. Personally, I think there's a huge risk of martyring those killed in the revenge strike.

There's also the matter of jealousy of America's status. That won't change.

Although it would be simplistic to say that this attack is entirely due to Arab-Israeli tensions, there's a lot to that angle. See the Palestinians dancing in the streets? Not surprising considering that the Palestinians have been consistently fucked over by five decades of US policy in the Middle East. Americans of all people should understand that one can oppress a people so far, but they will eventually snap.

I'm not saying that the Palestinians are behind this, just that Arab anti-American sentiment is, to a great degree, justified.

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So what the hell are you talking about OrangeAIDS?

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i'm thinking of Bay of Pigs, Cuba, Korea, Nicaragua, Haiti, Guatemala, Ecuador, Colombia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Iran, Kosovo, etc....

All countries decimated to varying degrees with the help of US inspired violence, sorry 'foreign policy'....

1-800-BOMB-SOMEWHERE

Foreign Policy = If they don't do what we do or say, bomb, bomb, and bomb, til they do. Or there is no one left.....

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There is some evidence to say the dancing palestinians footage is in fact 10 years old, and merely media manipulation.
http://indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=63288&group=webcast

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Interesting article and it will be interesting to see if its true. However, just because they used old images doesnt mean the palestinians werent celebrating on the streets. From one of the comments under the story -

The AP has confirmed reports that PLO security officers threatened the life of reporters who filmed the current celebrations over the WTC bombing. The AP has, so far, has not released the footage.

Not as simple as they make out is it.

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Dont forget that it was the world trade center that was hit. Let me repeat, The WORLD trade center. This attack was probably not just aimed at the americans but against the 'civilised' western world in general, of which the World Trade Center is a symbolic landmark. There were offices from throughout the world in the two buildings.

The barbarians who carried out this highly organised attack clearly have no regard for the value of human life, and they dont even have the guts to admit it was them.

I support the american people wholeheartedly and offer my deepest sympathy for the needless killing of all these innocent people.

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Originally posted by soapbarbpy:
I just took a taxi home with an Afghani driver tonight who was very much against the Taliban but was quite clear that they were armed with american weapons and equipment when he left.>

Who cares that they have american guns? They didn't come here and shoot us..they used our own god damn planes... even trained here! So we put them in power, and they turned on us. Fuck them. No shame in making freinds and then finding out their really your enemy...
Shit happens. The Russians wouldn't be freindly today if we hadn't have won the Cold War... so enemys become freinds when you beat them at their own game.

<He was against American retaliation because it would probably mean large civilian casualties.>

Tactical Nukes... No FUss No Muss...


<The Americans would never embark on a ground assault because if the red army couldnt defeat them what chance have the usa got.>
Just random missiles-with loads more ordinary people dying.

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It bears repeating...

Tactical Nukes... No FUss No Muss...

Here's some pics of the WTC
http://members.home.net/fahfooh1/index.htm

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War is war. islam will only be able to 'estimate' its casulties, there will be so many.

The Crusades are back on...islam must perish for it's evil ways and doctrine...nothing, NOTHING, which Hitler advocated compares to the dictates of the Quran...which only allows death for infadels, US!
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While deeply saddened by the destruction and death suffered in New York, I find myself being in the horrible situation of agreeing with Saddam Hussain that America is reaping the thorns of its foreign policy.

In a way, I'm pleased that the UN has shown it's s colours with the Article 5 classification, in cooler times we might look back and acknowlege it as little more than an American tool.

I am amazed at the continued belief of some Americans that might (the ability to kill many of the opposition) makes right.

It is worrying to see Bush addressing C21 warware with a C19 approach. I'm sickened by the Israelies taking the opportunity to kill more palestinians, on the basis that western governments are less likely to complain at the moment.

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Using the term "rag-head" is well out of order.
Also the Koran is no more a violent book than the Bible.
If America wants to avoid this again they should start talking to the Middle East soon!

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Come Sunday morning we, US, will be speaking to all of islam:


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Britain should have nothing to do with any revenge attacks.
The Americans have sadly brought this on themselves with their policies in the Middle East.
CHOICE=THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN TROOPS DIE IN THE HINDU KUSH OR REFORM IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

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Originally posted by soapbarbpy:
Britain should have nothing to do with any revenge attacks.
The Americans have sadly brought this on themselves with their policies in the Middle East.
CHOICE=THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN TROOPS DIE IN THE HINDU KUSH OR REFORM IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

what???? Yes the american foriegn policy is weird but dont use the phrase 'americans'... half of them didnt even know how to spell Afghanisan before Tuesday..

There is no 'choice'. Fuck, its not like any of us can actually DO something, other than maybe donate blood or money.

Its all faceless nameless people behind desks fault. Democracy is an illusion anyway, look at how George Bush got elected.

I say we just bomb the entire middle east. Take out all the landmarks and shit and all the vaguely cool and groovy people there and just bomb the whole damn place. Seriously, too many lives have been lost over that area.

Or we could nuke it. Then we'd all die and then all that would be left would be cockroaches.

And then they'd probably start fighting too....

~ned

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Originally posted by royaltrux:
what???? Yes the american foriegn policy is weird but dont use the phrase 'americans'... half of them didnt even know how to spell Afghanisan before Tuesday..>

Apparently you don't know how to spell it either.

<There is no 'choice'. Fuck, its not like any of us can actually DO something, other than maybe donate blood or money. >

Yep.

<Its all faceless nameless people behind desks fault. Democracy is an illusion anyway, look at how George Bush got elected.>

Yes, Democracy is an illusion...but America isn't a Democracy in any case. It's a Constitutional Republic.

Here's the pledge of Allegiance " I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the U.S.A.... and TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS"...

Notice how it doesn't say "democracy"?

George Bush won the election as per our laws and is Rightfully the President, no matter how many sore losers claim something nefarious took place.

They simply can't stand losing. If they had lost the Popular vote by the same small amount, but had won by Electoral votes, they'd be jsut as willing to take the reins of government.



<I say we just bomb the entire middle east. Take out all the landmarks and shit and all the vaguely cool and groovy people there and just bomb the whole damn place. Seriously, too many lives have been lost over that area.>

I find it hard to find fault in that logic, but I am still very emotional...maybe we'll just hit
A-F-G-H-A-N-I-S-T-A-N

<Or we could nuke it. Then we'd all die and then all that would be left would be cockroaches.>

Maybe we'd live through it...but then if you lived too, I'd probably just commit suicide rather than listen to you.





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