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To be honest, I really didn;t pay much attention to it. I kinda expect some emotional comments from the US today, your country is under attack after all.
What I meant was that US foreign policy has led to this kind of reaction. The US cannot claim to be the best at everything and always right without expecting some kind of reaction. The US openly supports Israel and it actions (generally) and even if rebuking the Israeli Govt on anthing, the US Govt always comes across as being half-hearted. This is a wake-up call for that kind of policy.
As I said earlier, I sincerely hope you catch the fuckers who carried you this atrocity.
May God have mercy on us all.
Hopefully once the rescue effort is over the world can concentrate on the cunts who did this. Attacking Afganistan or any other country is tnot the soloution. Finding the individuals responsible is. Anyone who can plan anything like this or support any sort of Terrorism is sick in the head.
My thoughts are with all the American people or anyone who has friends and family members caught up in this horrific tradgedy.
- Skive
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I personally think that all of you guys talking about blame, retaliation and new world wars are sick. Tonight, let us all just think of the poor, poor innocent people who were unwittingly involved and have tragically lost their lives. Think of all the families waiting at home to find out that their loved ones have died, the people who escaped from the WTC and now can't phone their family to reassure them, and especially the people on the plane, whose lives ended in terror and confusion. This tragedy is beyond anything that most of us could imagine.
Leave the blame for the morning.
Ian
Its like hating the whole of Ireland because a few terrorists come over and blow up some of our buildings and maybe kill a few people.
Diesel's support for the IRA is just insane, how can he support terrorists, when it was terrorists that blew up half of New York. *?*
Yes, Bush should retaliate, not on the innocent people but he should focus his attack on the training camps of these and the people that are protecting Bin Laden. That might sound hypocrital but i see no other way to answer this attack.
I would be very supprized if a WWIII developed out of this, US & UK could easily flatten these countries if they wanted too.unless Russia or China joined in ofcourse....
But since Russia condemed this attack i don't see how they wouldn't support a minor attack on the Arab terrorist leaders...
This is a truely terrible thing that has happened. They intenened to kill as many people as they could, if they didn't then why not hit the building in the early hours and with empty jets? and took their own lives so they wouldn't have to face up to the consequences...how cowardly.
-w00t-
It was a fucking sick evil disgusting thing to happen, and I sincerely wish it hadn't. I can, however, see the Palastinians point of view. Not that I think that public celebration like that is at all respectful, or acceptable.
I offer my condolences to all affected by the tragedy.
And hope to hell that Bush don't get all trigger happy.
Posted by Whowhere:
"This attack was well co-ordinated in a very intelligent way. Because of this I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to own up to it. "
I doubt that this will stay under wraps very long. Whoever did this will want to make themselves known as well as the reason they did it. They have our attention, but without revealing themselves in some way, they aren't going to prove anything. Diesel is right, this isn't just a terrorist attack, we are under fire, it is war. Make no mistake that if they are looking for a fight, they will get it.
Blueflute, or whatever your name is, you are disgustingly sick. Its people like you that I would love to punch in the face. It's people like you that are terrorists. Its people, unhumaningly disgusting, that would hide instead of stand to defend against the unknown force that did this to an untold number of innocent lives. I wish I lived in NY and Washington and served there at this moment, just so I could go out and help with the aftermath.
This is a time for revenge. No way can we sit back and let this take place. That is the wrong message to send. We need to show the world that we aren't going to take this kind of crap. Like President Bush stated today "The world is watching us....and we are going to show the world that we are going to pass this test." Hell ya! HOOOAH!
"Avauncez! To Defend and Serve!"
US is at war with islam whether we like it or not...we will nuke Afganistan, et al.
Diesel
Hey you fuckers!!! Are you here in America? No!! Is your family in Mew York? NO!! Seems to be only royaltrux and I and a few others here can say yes to that question, so settle the fuck down...By the way, were NOT at war yet, and if we are, we're dragging the fucking Brits into it with us, so maybe you (Diesel) should just quiet the fuck down and wait...
Figure being stated on news is that intel is 90% positive Bin Laden is behind it. Communications intercept. ASTOUNDING, isn't it? GW Bush states that ANYONE harboring the miscreants will be treated the SAME as the miscreants themselves.
As Diesel stated, IRA COULD HAVE done something to this degree, but has NOT. Cannot quite draw a parallel, now can we? Drop a 757 on London's financial district, or a couple, and then we MIGHT have a parallel. Battle of Britain comes closer to the comparison. Bombing of London. How did y'all respond to THAT one?
They're dancing in the streets in EGYPT, and Egypt is supposed to be a 'friendly"...
This IS an act of war, and violence is the ONLY acceptable response. Anything less is tantamount to acceptance of the deed, and an invitation for escalation.
Bin Laden called the music, let's see if he can dance to it...
i dunno how to react... no-one i know was injured or killed or anything, yet i've been freaking out all day... breaking into tears every now and then. Oh well i'm known as emo-boy at work but thats coz of the music...
i mean how CAN you react to it? Now EVERYONE is at war. I feel some sort of John Lennon rising up in me to do SOMETHING about it.
10,000 plus people just dont DIE like THAT. We could have many, many, many heated arguements about it but democrazy is fake anyway, our "leaders"... that being Elmer Fudd and Porky Pig for the U.S and Great Britain respectivley will do something about it.
The ventriloquist did a good job with his hand up George Bush's ass making him look like he was talking today...
No-one seems to think that the 4th plane was heading to Camp David, the presidential retreat, where some big ol decision was made last year concerning Israel and Palestine and the U.S.
Being a musician and and *ahem* "artist" and all... sometimes you have to let things out. I wrote 2 songs today... ones really gothic Joy Division and i get to scream Jeff Buckley style in it, the other one has some real potential though. I really like it, and when i get the chance i'll post the lyrics, because without sounding pretentious theyre really good.
Well what else can i do? I cant donate blood because i'm british and with mad cow disease and all they wont let you do that.
Its days like these that remind me that i should spend more time underneath a rock.
I feel ashamed to be human.
~ned
These people aren't "Freedom Fighters" when attacking the U.S. they are angry at the U.S. for supporting Israel, but Israel is the country that is directly oppressing them, not the U.S.. More likely, they are radical fundementalist Musilums with an Anti-Zionist, Anti- Capitalist ideology.
They aren't fighting for freedom, but fighting for the downfall of Israel and supporters of Israel as the racist religious zealots they are.
I live on Long Island and have many freinds who live and work in New York. Most of them are ok, but I haven't talked to others. I had a freind at work today whose dad was there who might have died. I saw a gentleman at work today who was watching the first building colapse, who said he thought his wife was in there. He was in tears...I hope she got out.
War is all about hurting a nation of people.
War is what we are in...war against terrorists. We will attack every nation associated with terrorism and kill as many people as it takes to impress our dominance on the international communnity...many innocent people will become causualties, but the U.S. will not rest until the public blood lust is satisfied.
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Perhaps you should drag your head out of your ass and into the light of day, and REALIZE that we ARE in a war, and that perhaps 10,000 civilians have ALREADY BEEN KILLED. Reality is the most severe antidote to delusions... To deny that the war has been declared upon the US is to invite escalation, and acts that would make today look like a girl scout affair.
They called the jihad, let them have what they sought, ALL of it... to their bloody end, and learn what a jihad is REALLY about.
I life in Seattle but have visited most of the states in US and many foreigh countries...and I am an opinioniated ol codger so if I piss in your cheerios just be nice and eat them so you don't have to have them fed to you.
We aren't dragging anyone into war with US...we are going to nuke the bastards and begin the great war against islam.
Diesel
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"I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
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"I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
Is your name Neville Chamberlain?
Also your support for the IRA is fucking sick as well. The IRA target innocent civilians they are murderers just like the people who caused this atrocity yesterday. Their bombs are indiscriminate and how anyone can support a bunch of murderers like the IRA is beyond me. I have found this site www.antiwar.com which is very good and has coverage of the bombing.
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They should send a huge force of SF into Afghanistan, extract Bin Laden and execute every Taliban member they can find.
Obviously I dont want a full scale war to come about as a result of this but if it does then I fully support the actions of America.
Its been said that there were hundreds of Brits killed when the towers collapsed. Anyone who thinks that Britain shouldnt be involved then wake up. This is not simply an attack on the US, the proves that no country, no city, no building is safe in the entire western world. Whos to say that when some Islamic fundamentalist doesnt like a new British foreign policy, that they wont hijack a plane and crash it into docklands or into any of our landmarks.
The people responsible need to put removed from this world. Anyone willing to support those responsible need to be removed from this world. Anyone who has the capability to do this in the future needs to be removed from this world.
That was what I ment.
I don't give a fart in a windstorm about any of them...ben laben has a kuel AKS74U...for me that is his only claim on my attention...I don't want to torture him, bringing him to 'trial' proves nothing...HE declared WAR on US...he is protected by Afganistan...that about covers it.
There are no innocents in such a situation and being a cheap bastard I must observe that blanket bombing would simply cost more than the whole country is worth...on the other hand a couple of small nukes, clean or otherwise would make the point. Hell, US has done it before with really, REALLLY, dirty bombs...that point was well taken.
I view the IRA mush as I do our local, US, disident groups...if a tribe of Indians were to decide to establish their nationalism, etc.
Kind of a natural fondness for the underdog...had england not so abused the Irish for so long my sentiments might be different...however, english treatment of the Irish is not unlike what my own people, Acadian French, later Cajun French, suffered under the 'crown' et al. And while I am no nazi it is not hard to believe that england would have been better off had hitler won...that probably sounds a lot more insulting that it is intended...anyway...it is another day, waiting for the other shoe to drop as it must...pocket nuke, ship full of explosives in US harbor, biologicals...even chemical...we'll see.
Diesel
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Anyone who is a good enough actor to make people believe s/he has explosives strapped to hir body, in other words. And then knock out the pilot and co-pilot, which ain't hard, really.
Wasnt quite that simple..It was an extremely well planned and executed attack. The co-ordination needed was extraordinary. The finance needed was also vast. Not every actor can do these things Mac
unless the situation occurs on US soil, in which case there are, eh?
a couple of small nukes, clean or otherwise would make the point
and you think that would be the end of it? You seem surprised that US aggression has ultimately lead to a retaliation from somebody, now you think the best idea is to retaliate to the retaliation.
Ask yourself, if there are people that are prepared to die and kill thousands of others in pursuit of their 'cause' do you think that you'll be able to shut them all up?
If you want to do that, you'll need to nuke all that does not extend beyond US shores, and a number of people within it. Until you're left all alone, satisfied at the centre of your own holocaust.
You appear outraged that innocent Americans have died yet are unconcerned about innocents in other lands. You are a bloodthirsty, reactionary, violent fool.
I do hope that those with any kind of influence ignore your bone-headed, brainless 'advice'. Sadly, i think they will probably heed it.
Anyway, for those who want to bring it up, I'll restate my opinion again:
As for being 'bloodthirsty' I can only say that '...we shall drink our enemey's blood...'
The war is and will continue to be with islam...for how many hundreds of years now? They have nothing to bring to the table of civilization...we have tolerated and played with them these long years so they would sell us their oil...game over!
Do I advocate the use of nukes? Most certainly! One of my jobs in US military dealt with nukes...they be kuel, do the job...few witnesses and they usually don't want to talk about it. Otherwise, it's bend over uncle stupid...here it comes again and again and again...!
Diesel
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Tata!
Diesel
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You appear outraged that innocent Americans have died yet are unconcerned about innocents in other lands. You are a bloodthirsty, reactionary, violent fool.
Yes, we're so bloodthirsty and unconcerned about innocents in other lands that we sacrificed all those soldiers in Somalia that started out as a mission to feed them. Don't forget Bosnia. Oh wait. We were in Bosnia to stop the killing.
So what the hell are you talking about OrangeAIDS?
"I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."