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Because they openly accept homosexuality in their communities and MOST americans do not. It is unnacceptable and if someone speaks out on it they get censored, blocked or banned?
I said homosexuality is repulsive, immoral and wrong according to human design.
No one said all rump rangers and bush munchers should be sent to the gas chamber.
Talking derogatory about the queers gets you blocked or banned and it isn't even illegal, yet on another forum we have all of these mutant fuckers talking about dosing ecstasy and LSD or snorting coke. Duh! that shit is illegal. why not block them? because the posts on this forum are selectively controlled by the moderators and thus we have censorship
being a fag or using drugs is okay to them so those types can post as they feel.
than Jr and Sporty said queers are unnacceptable so the bleeding hearts blocked their ISP's
that's real hip dudes!!!
I was banned because I held to my beliefs, and would not be a sheep, bleating along with the rest of the flock. My language was no more foul than those whom I disagreed with, and no more inflammatory. I was banned because I would not back down from my position.
I was banned because you do NOT have the freedom of speech in your country... You are expected to play like good little sheep, and remain with the flock. You all KNOW what the sheepherders do to the sheep, don't you...?
I was banned because I am a citizen, rather than a subject.
I was banned because I am not ashamed of being a man, and I make NO attempt to appear to be a female simply because that is what good little sheep should do.
"It IS about sex. Just break down the word homosexual, duh! "
--and what about the word hetrosexual, just break that down, duh!
"I just don't want to serve in close quarters with them."
--Then it's you that has the sensitivity problem and it's you that should not serve in the military.
Going back to what Thanatos/ berzerker said. Yes on the subject of freedom of information ie. info held by the govenment, then you do have slightly better laws, because you can accsss info more easly that we can. There was that case, where Tony Blair had a meating with Bill Clinton and people in britain wanted to know what was said, so they had to use amertican laws to find out so it could be published in theis country.
About you being banned, If you look in the top right hand corner you will see the vodafone logo, vodafone wants to protect it lovely image so it hired moderators to moderate the boards. It doesn't want to run the risk of legal action bening brought against them for things being said. This protectional attitude is somthing which I'm affraid has been taken from america ie people feeling hurt and then sueing for rediculous amounts of money. There are sites that are not owned by companys like vodafone and there for have no moderators, so you can say what you like. You unfortunatly are posting on a corporate board.
I dont think that has anything to do with it. His opinions differed from those of the mods so he was banned.
If you look at the top of this thread or any thread you will see the sentance
Please keep in mind that the views on these boards are opinions - not necessarily facts. TheSite can’t be held responsible for any comments posted.
They wouldnt put that there if there wasnt a legal disclaimer in the terms of service.
His views were contrary to what the mods wanted, nothing more than that.
YEAH! PUNK FUCKIN RAWK, MATE!
well SOMEone had to say it.
~ned
Posted by Mr. Perfect:
"When a woman is talking to me all I hear is "blah-blah blah-blah blah" while I'm staring at her tits. "
Typical pig male....but whatever.
Anyways...
Posted by Royaltrux:
"And keep the Bible to yourself. Youre obviously so insecure as to come on here complaining about someone else sexuality... you cant be that secure about your own. "
Freedom of speech seems to be ruling the thread here, so first of all, if someone wants to quote the Bible, let em. I am not a religious maniac myself, but I am a god fearing soldier. The Bible does specifically say that the gay and lesbian life is a sin and is wrong and is looked down upon. THOUGH I will say that it also says that God loves the sinner but not the sin. And I do agree that gay bashing is wrong for the most part, especially when it involves violence. But gays and lesbians have no place in the military. None whatsoever.
Posted by Mr. Perfect:
"Two, the army doesn't need a barracks that's having a fuck fest every night. All the points have been made here in why they can't be openly queer and serve. The policy of "Don't ask, don't tell." which the US currently has in place is the best possible solution. Homos can serve provided they curb their weird desires. Once they've "come out" or get caught they must be removed from the military due to the tension they have now created in their unit.
It's time the majority stops conforming to accommodate the minority. "
Here here! I experienced that in my own unit. And it grossed me out along with everyone else in the unit. Do you see what that does? It takes away from the overall mission of the unit....which need I remind everyone, is to Defend and Serve. Not to serve yourself a piece every now and then. But to serve your country and defend it. When you step into uniform, everything that happens at home is left there, at home. I don't want to hear about it and neither does anyone else because it isn't going to help the mission any.
Why do you deserve special recognition? If the military wanted to know who was gay and who wasn't, they would give you all a special tab to wear just like they do for rangers and the airborne qualified. Hell, they might as well give you a purple beret. But they don't cause they don't want to know. America is homophobic. I admit to being one. I had a chick check me out in the shower that was a lesbian. Needless to say, I don't need to hear about it when I'm showering, thank you very much. Nature's design was not meant to accomodate gays and lesbians. That is not the way it works and that is why it takes a man and a woman to have a child. Not a man and a man, or a woman and a woman.
Posted by T and Mr. Perfect:
"I would just like to jump back abit and address what Mr_Perfect said.
"It IS about sex. Just break down the word homosexual, duh! "
--and what about the word hetrosexual, just break that down, duh!
"I just don't want to serve in close quarters with them."
--Then it's you that has the sensitivity problem and it's you that should not serve in the military."
You're right, it IS about sex. Its the same reason why women aren't allowed in close combat situations with men. It is about sensitivity issues. Again, it takes away from the mission's purpose. Uncomfortable sexual situations that don't need to be addressed in any type of combat situation. That is why women are not allowed and that is why gays and lesbians should not be allowed in the military.
"Avauncez!"
Posted by Orangeade:
"Rage and Mr Perfect. You articulate my thoughts exactly, if only it was that i could argue my case as well as you gays, sorry, i mean guys (wouldn't want to question your steak munching, bare chested masculinity). Perhaps one day my kids'll grow up to be as eloquent as you boys, or perhaps they'll grow up to prance around in pink feather boas, gyrating to the Carwash theme....i know which one'll make the proudest.....ta ta, i'm off to play with my weapon (i'm referring to the big gun i have that makes me a real man and not a lilly-livered bleeding heart nonce boy). "
So what are you really trying to say? Or is it that you're trying to pass off the fact that you are gay?
"Avauncez!"
Gee, I have not been banned again, yet? What a surprise.
gi_jane: Having had many conversations with you, I really doubt that you are homo-phobic, as in, a fear of homosexuals and their behavior. I think it more accurate that you are disgusted by the act, and the perpetrators of the act. Not to speak for you, because you are MORE than capable of speaking for yourself, but I believe that we BOTH agree that there is a difference in being afraid of something, and being disgusted by it.
Nice to witness you here expressing the SAME sentiment, from a female perspective. AND to those in attendance who believe me to be a sexist pig by the views I have stated previously... I respect this SOLDIER (who happens to be a female) COMPLETELY. gi-jane has her head screwed on properly, without the self-delusions prevalent in many who have condemned my perspective. My respect is based upon her ability to see the world in a state of reality, and COMPREHEND the reasons that military codes ARE what they are. My respect is based upon her awareness that military service is about SERVICE, and setting aside selfish individual motivations to become a working member of a TEAM, to the betterment of the team, and the successful completion of a mission.
The original topic was brought up by a civilian, and asking a question that concerns military personel. If you didn't want the answer, you should not have asked the question.
p.s. > gi_jane is no more of a BS sucking PC sheep than I am, and has no more toleration for it, either. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
What can I say? I love women. What I said about hearing only "blah blah blah" was a slight exaggeration but you have to understand my sense of humor. For the record though, yes I'm a pig.
"I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
1. Would your sister or daughter be considered too sensitive if she complained about having a male as a roommate?
2. If not, how is it different for a straight man too complain about having a queer roommate?
Are you ignoring the questions or is your reading comprehension that bad? I'm not saying they can't serve. I'm just saying they need to keep their bizarre behavior under wraps. I don't think fags should be exempt from spilling their blood for their country. If they were banned, that would just give anyone an excuse not to go to war when their country called. A straight man could say he was queer just to avoid war.
Main Entry: 1het.ero.sex.u.al
Pronunciation: "he-t&-rO-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
Date: 1892
1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward the opposite sex b : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of opposite sex
2 : of or relating to different sexes
- het.ero.sex.u.al.i.ty /-"sek-sh&-'wa-l&-tE/ noun
- het.ero.sex.u.al.ly /-'sek-sh(&-)w&-lE, -'sek-sh&-lE/ adverb
So yes, it is about sex for us normal people too.
"I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
exactly, vodafone has told the mods what they wanted, the mods are delivering.
As for the disclaimer, thats just there as back up, for when it goes to court.
Oh and orengade, nice one.
Actually, i am not gay, this is because i follow the teachings of Jesus/God/Moses/Bush and live my life in a devout and pure way.
When my servants get out of line or are disrespectful towards me or my wives, i have had them stoned, and would gladly do so again if the need ever arose. Perhaps some find this extreme but i reply that i am only following the Good Lord's word as laid down in the holy book. That was also what i said in response to those who doubted me when i had my last wife (who was unfaithful to me) buried up to her neck and then stoned by my fellow villagers. That told her, the bitch.
Now, i know that some may see these actions as those of some kind of religious maniac, following the teachings of some ridiculous, bigoted, contradictory, ham-fisted, idiotic, reactionary text, written by various people with too much time on their hands and little imagination, several thousand years ago. But to those who say that i say, "Lucifer and i shall laugh loud as you burn in the bottomless pit of bottomless fire for an eternally bottomless and eternally long piece of fiery time. For eternity." That normally shuts them up. And i just carry on as normal. Because I am normal it is those HOMOS who are crazy. And they WILL burn in hell. As i have said. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
<walks away to the sound of thunder and lightning>
That's right - we sit in dirty cages and scan the boards while our masters at Vodafone sit above whipping us into shape.
Whatever.
T, I think you probably over-estimate how much anyone - let alone Vodafone execs - care what you write. But that's okay. As long as you enjoy formulating conspiracy theories, then it's all good fun.
As for who we ban/censorship/free speech/etc, I've already covered this eleswhere. But to make it crystal clear one more time:
These boards are part of www.thesite.org.
They're primarily aimed at 16-25 year olds in the UK.
They were primarily created so these people could help each other by sharing experiences and views.
People of other ages and other countries are welcome to use them BUT, we must think of our main audience first.
This means making the boards safe, friendly and welcoming to all people in our age target, regardless of gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation.
Becasue of this, bggoted views of any kind are unnaceptable. We don't want potential users - possibly in need of help - put off by those who would rather discriminate.
Call us liberal lightweights. Call us censoring fools. Call us corporate dogsbodies. Hell, call us anything you like but them the rules.
The fact is, the web is a big place. If you don't like our little space on it, there are plenty of other places to go. We're not making you post here.
Dom
Ok <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">
Well Doms comment has ended this thread for me. What he said is fair enough, its their site and they can do what they like.
PS, I still dont think they shoulda been banned. Left wing bigotry is rife here with no problem.
Anyway ill shut my 16-25 year old UK mouth.
Just as an aside to those who were quoting the Bible, there was a rather nice story about this guy called Noah who built a wooden boat and gathered 2 of every animal etc, etc.....Do you hold that to be God's given truth as well??
And at the start of the book there was a nice story of how God created the Earth in 7 days..... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
Need I go on??
The Bible is somewhat past it's sell-by date in terms of social commentary.
Only users lose drugs
No liberals have been banned
Thanatos, posting as berzerker:
The title of the thread is: Is the AIDS virus "darwinism at work".
But what is accuracy and truth, when you have the opportunity to vent your little emotions, right? Too close to the truth for you to deal with?
Posted by Berzerker (aka Thanatos):
"this SOLDIER (who happens to be a female) "
Yes, I noticed on a different thread that I happened to post on that everyone failed to realize that I was female. They just assume that everyone here (at least from the USA) is male. And you know what they say about people who assume.... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
Anyways.
again posted by Berzerker (aka Thanatos):
"gi_jane: Having had many conversations with you, I really doubt that you are homo-phobic, as in, a fear of homosexuals and their behavior. I think it more accurate that you are disgusted by the act, and the perpetrators of the act. Not to speak for you, because you are MORE than capable of speaking for yourself, but I believe that we BOTH agree that there is a difference in being afraid of something, and being disgusted by it."
Well, I guess it is all in a meaning. I DO consider myself homophobic just for that reason, not so much because I fear them, but I am disgusted by their behaviour and lifestyles. I fear the fact that their behaviour leads to innocents getting involved, as with Rage's post on AIDS. Many bisexuals pass the disease on to their spouses unknowningly, or innocent children are born with the disease. Paramedics and those in the lifesaving professions are constantly exposed to unknown diseases, such as AIDS. They are constantly at risk. This is what makes me homophobic.
Orangeade, quit your worthless babbling and contribute something constructive to this post. If not, then shut the hell up.
Gays and lesbians deserve no special recognition whatsoever. The same goes for those who claim to be feminists. Why do you feel the need to claim your sexuality in the military? Why do you need to make it known, and then cry for protection from the government and special rights in society. What makes you more special then the rest of us heterosexuals? You're not. And if you choose to serve alongside me in the armed forces, then you can keep your personal life to yourself. It has nothing to do with me or the rest of the unit.
"Avauncez! To Defend and Serve!"
"That's right - we sit in dirty cages and scan the boards"
No but you proberbly sit in an office/ wherehouse/ home etc.
"I think you probably over-estimate how much anyone - let alone Vodafone execs - care what you write"
well they obiously do other wise there wouldn't be any moderators would there?
"If you don't like our little space on it [the web], there are plenty of other places to go. We're not making you post here."
I never said I disliked it.
All I was saying was that Vodafone, who is a principle partner doesn't want to run the risk of having their image dented. And thesite.org would rather like to keep them as principle partner. Hence you, a modorator.
again I wasn't having a go at you, don't take it as such.
[This message has been edited by T (edited 07-09-2001).]
So far I've based my arguments on scientific fact and have resisted the urge to resort to puerile name-calling and if you could actually pick up on my argument rather than the ins and outs on my grammar and spelling I would be most grateful.
Exactly – positive discrimination is as damaging as negative discrimination. If your positively discriminating someone then it follows your negatively discriminating against someone else.
"I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
Incidently, lesbian sheep don't do too well - the ewe, to express interest studiously ignores the object of their affection. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/confused.gif">
seven of every animal, except those deemed unclean, and two of each those unclean.
Can't remeber if the sex ratio was specified
"I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
But the liberals tend not to be uncivil in their messages. But hey, just carry on ignoring the suggestion that it not what you say but the way that you say it.
[This message has been edited by Carriage Return (edited 08-09-2001).]
Yes, and also if my son complained about having a female roommate. Don't forget we are talking about people considered mature enough to kill, and sufficiently self-restrained to be trusted with guns and other deadly weaponry.
moot. Of course, this says a lot about the anti-homo mind. In a dorm full of women and a man, they seem to suppose that the women would not be "safe". If that were the case, that soldier should, indeed, be out of the military before his grundies hit the ground.
This is already covered by sexual harassment.
Sorry, I was having trouble comprehending the mindset, not the text. Thank you for making it as obvious as you did. If, as I now think, you expect any openly homosexual person to be constantly making unwelcome advances; then I agree that such behaviour should be kept under wraps. This doesn't match the real world though, and this is probably why you are having such a hard time trying to convince us otherwise.
Or do you suppose that the gay male craves rejection? The "pretty boys" in the Royal Navy certainly provided an important service to morale during the second world war. Unfortunately, it wasn't exactly consensual on their part. This practice, and the attendant blame transferal, has led to stereotypes.
Other cultures, who class only the "receptive" partner as homosexual, the other player as a "stud" have far fewer problems with this kind homophobia.
Thanks for giving me a glimpse of your bizarre thought processes, it has given me some insight into they way your type thinks.