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i have a feeling that this could be an unpopular post but its an on going arguement in our class at college.
do you believe that capital punishment should be reintroduced or we should stay as we are now?
my view on this subject is that it should be. i believe this because people who go to prison now seem (and i do state seem i dont actually know cause ive never been in a prison)to have more luxuries than some people living in the world outside and what right do murderers have to a good life when they make so many other peoples a living hell.
i know there's the old saying an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and that they should be made to suffer for there crimes by satying alive and having to live with what they have done but with some poeple they will never feel remorse for what they have done however much you punish them.
hope i dont offend anyone with this post or cause to many arguements if i do you all have the right to shout at me rather loud <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> but not to loud though <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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do you believe that capital punishment should be reintroduced or we should stay as we are now?
my view on this subject is that it should be. i believe this because people who go to prison now seem (and i do state seem i dont actually know cause ive never been in a prison)to have more luxuries than some people living in the world outside and what right do murderers have to a good life when they make so many other peoples a living hell.
i know there's the old saying an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and that they should be made to suffer for there crimes by satying alive and having to live with what they have done but with some poeple they will never feel remorse for what they have done however much you punish them.
hope i dont offend anyone with this post or cause to many arguements if i do you all have the right to shout at me rather loud <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> but not to loud though <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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personally, i think there is a fate worse than death, but ive never had a relative/friend murdered etc and im sure that if something bad happened to them i would want the scumbag dead or revenge of that kind
its actually amazing to see how many people (particularly americans) are strongly opposed to abortion but are strongly for the death penalty
[ 21-02-2002: Message edited by: Goldielocks ]
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I disagree with the death penalty. I think it is a barbaric system of justice.
Having said that, I think prison should be made a lot harder. Criminals shouldn't be locked up in a room for years on end, because it does them no good, costs a fortune, and allows them to interact with only criminal-types. I would introduce short, sharp sentences for petty criminals, whilst retaining the life sentence for the more serious crimes.
I don't know what you think life is like in prison but I can tell you it certainly aint nice. I ended up in Reading young offenders once for two weeks on remand until I got bail. For anyone to think that life is in any kind of way nice or easy in there, is crap.
It's a severely scary place for plenty of reasons. The most obvious is the lack of freedom, but what shit me up the most was the other offenders in there - they're generally not nice people. Please, please don't think that life is nice and easy in there.
...and no I don't believe in bringing back the death penalty.
My ex was in prison and I don't think it's easy. There should be more opportunities in there, but if there is, people complain. Locking someone up 24 hours a day isn't going to improve anything.
But then if someone is in for 20 life sentences, can they just be seen as a drain on the tax payers money? They are never going to come out, they are not enjoying their life, no one wants them alive..so would capital punishment be an answer?
I personally don't agree with capital punishment-maybe if I was the victim of a horrific crime I would disagree. I think that people can be rehabilitated, or at least have the *possibility* of it. But then if they are in their for life (and I mean *life*) then waht's the point of being rehabilitated?
I just think the whole prison system is a bit silly. Ok, so it protects society from the criminals, but it is a very unimaginative way of dealing with crime.
The number was ridiculously high, somewhere between 70-80%. The federal government abolished the death penalty anyway. about 25 years later they did another survey, to find out how many people were still in support of the death penalty. The number had dropped to 14%.
This shows, that people who are brought up in a country without a death penalty realise that it is a barbaric form of justice.
In the USA research was done in 1997 by Duke university. They found that it costs on average 2 million dollars more to keep an inmate on death row for 10 years, than it costs to keep them incarecrated for life.
The death penalty is an inefficient and ineffective deterrent. Far better to ship someone to a faraway land than to kill them!
if you introduce the death penalty, people know what could become of murdering somebody, i don't care if this increaes or decreases murder rates thats not the issue, the issue is justice for the family left without a loved one <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
take the myra hindley bitch, she should be dead, this country should wash its hands of her, fucking my taxes paying for her to arse about in prison.
what's wrong with you people ? why do you twist it into crime figures or such bollocks ? if somebody is guilty beyond any resonable doubt, and that is beyond any resonable doubt then hang the cunts, if they are guilty in a court of law, then a secondary trial should be undertaken, this time to decide how overwhelming the evidence is, if the guilty was caught red handed, or on cctv or with undisputable dna evidence then slice em up
you see parents crying there eyes out, after joe bloggs has been imprisoned for life after raping and then killing there nipper, well if it were my child i'd feel a tad better if they too faced the same fate <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
i suppose re-habilitating and releasing peadophiles is a good policy is it <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
You've got to think about why this country did away with hanging in the 50s. There were miscarriages of justice, and it was not a quick painless death.
An eye for an eye? I'm thinking the speck of dust, and the plank. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone and all that.
You dont think that might have something to do with a child being perfectly innocent whereas a death penalty type is a little less so?
Eb.....Thats what seperates us from the animals mate.
why the hell should it be a quick and painless death ?
as for miscarriages of justice that is the
only argument i can accept against the death penalty and hence my above comment <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> if they are guilty and using modern techniques it can be proved beyond any doubt whatsoever 100 % then there is no reason at all to keep them alive <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
we are animals <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> unless you consider yourself a plant
I was referring to the human animals. IE those you mentioned in your posts.
if an 'animal' such as a dog even dares to bite a human its a gonna <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
no it isn't but then a bite doesn't kill you does it <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
but then i'm not concerned with what happens to dogs, put them down i say bloody pests. However a human life should equal to a human life, why should these bastards not be hung ? if you had a child that was murdered how would you feel ? nothing could ever bring it back, and you would forever feel the pain and the hurt, but then knowing the **** who did it was having an afternoon nap in some prison cell somewhere wouldn't be much of a comfort.
maybe it should be up to the family of the victim to decide if a death penalty is imposed ?
well hey, lets open this one up to blue peter viewers shall we <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Ok then...So when do we execute you for executing the killer? After all, a human life should be equal to a human life..
but the executer isn't taking an innocent life is he ? he isn't kidnapping a kid on the way home from school and beating her around the head with a cricket bat, or attacking an old person carrying there shopping on the way home, or stabbing a wife for not doing the ironing - he is removing vermon from society once and for all.
i would be willing to do the job, without even the slightest bit of guilt, if i was there with a button looking at the jamie bulgar killers it wouldn't take much doing <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> just picture the face of the poor lad, imagine his last few horrific hours, his family and there hurt
*wonders whether to dare to mention guns*
*what the hell*
It's the same with guns. If society arms itself just because a few criminals have guns, it doesn't necessarily bring about a safer society. In fact, I would argue that it is a slippery slope towards self-destruction of a society.
Anyhow, the point is: if society kills killers, society is no better than the murderer.
Maybe my attitude would change if a close friend or relative of mine was murdered, but I totally disagree with capital punishment.
I think you would if it came to it! Anyone would.
I agree with Baldy here, we as a society should concentrate on rehabilitation not punishment especially in cases such as the Bulger case, where the muderers were young.
and that is what my argument boils down to, its ooooh so very easy to sit in our rooms, deciding what would be the right course of action BUT if its your loved one, then you have a whole new angle on it, and i'm sure your aware, every murder has loved ones coping with the situation, so lets not think from our point of view please <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> lets imagine our mother has been attacked with a golf club walking alone on a night, head smashed to pieces, gone, no chance to say your goodbyes, one day she leaves the house and never returns, just imagine that, now question your feelings towards the bloke who did it, all for the few coins in her handbag.
Capital punishment isn't about a detterent or humanity its about that person left without their child, partner, parent its about justice
now, you may say what gives society the right to kill, well what gives the right society to do anything ? make laws, imprison people ? the role of society is to protect, to ensure justice for the good of itself. It isn't about individuals enforcing the penalty, its about the bigger picture.
Skive, if you wish to rehabilitate such individuals what would you then do with them once you have carried out such a program ?
But that's because I'm not a violent person by nature, and don't see death as a solution to the problems in society.
If you let emotion run policy then you are looking for trouble....
Again, what of the families of the murderer you just executed. Surely they have feelings too. Are they allowed to kill you? I can guarantee they would want to as much as any other person whos just lost a family member.
Even if you give them life, well they still get to see people everday, speak to loved ones, read the news, laugh, cry, sing, sleep, paint, enjoy themselves which is poor luck on the sod 6 foot under
You seem to think we are filthy, namby pamby do gooders because we dont believe in punishing a killer with a killing. You are very wrong. Prison should be made to be a punishment worse than death..Where is the justice in killing someone? A few seconds of pain and they are done...50 odd years in a hellish prison is a much better punishment IMO.
well the your a better man than i, because in such a situation i wouldn't share such sentiment. if i was in court to hear the guilty verdict, and then the reuslting sentence i would feel let down, i could imagine the accused smiling at me as the sentence was read, just glancing over at me and grining, can't even put into words how that would feel
well the your a better man than i, because in such a situation i wouldn't share such sentiment. if i was in court to hear the guilty verdict, and then the reuslting sentence i would feel let down, i could imagine the accused smiling at me as the sentence was read, just glancing over at me and grining, can't even put into words how that would feel
no, i can see your argument to be logical and not namby pamby, but i can't see how any form of living can be better than death other than a very very harsh painful one, which would be as equally barbaric - if a killer was sent to prison put in a cell with a bed and a pot, never allowed out, never allowed to speak to anyone or see sunlight, feed a very minimal diet possibly constructed of pills, then great thats better than death, but that'll never happen, re-installing the death penalty is more likely. I'm not underestimating the seriousness and consequences of the death penalty and the effects on people throughout, but in some circumsatnces i feel it appropriate <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> because there is nothing so sure, that for a few minutes the killer would be sorry and that is the desired effect, for him/her to be sorry and mean it, to feel as frightened as the victim, to be reduced to a wreck, its a shame once dead they then can't be revived without knowing beforehand that was a possibility and then to do a life sentence.