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well so after reading your argument, murderers would be happier dead, so what's the problem ? why barbaric ? they get what they want, we don't have them costing tax money, cluttering the prison system, the families don't have to think about them been in a jail 100 miles away, the detterent is there that miht just save a life (although i admit thats not the point)
i think a good case for capital punishment
i mean who think capital punishment is a bad idea because its upsets who exactley ?
no, but after 20 years inside you'd be bloody happy to stay their, if given the option of release or staying in a bet a fair percentage would stay right where they are, getting everything done for them, not worrying about a job or money, a house or peoples opinions. Prison becomes what they are comfortable with, they are secure within that environment, the outside world scares them, things change too much for them to grasp, so in the end this harsh, nasty prison sentence you talk of becomes their prefered choice of lifestlye <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
where have i said that :cofused: how is it quite nice ? that would be a stupid thing to say, and i would never do that <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
You know this from whom??? I know a few people who have been in prison, none of them had anything good to say about it. My lecturer was there for 10 years in total for repeated fraud cases. He also did a stint at Wormwood. Nobody can learn to live with prison life, it is a fairytale invented by Hollywood.
Doesn't mean they like it though. And they don't get the choice whether to stay or not do they? So they have to come out into thie real world and have to adjust whether they want to or not. However you look at it their life's fucked up proper.
You really dont understand do you? I dont give a damn about the feelings of the murderers..It demeans US if we execute them. It takes US down to their level.
Can you tell me how you work out that killing someone will save a life whereas putting them in an 8x6 foot cell until they die will not?
Alright, maybe you don't make it sound nice, but I doubt Roy Whiting is "happily reading his newspaper".
"I bet" sounds as if you're speculating to me.
of course i'm specualting, how do i know what he's doing ? has he not already been in prison before the sarah payne thing ? really taught him alot didn't it <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Im not seeking deterrence, Im not seeking revenge; instead, I seek ridding society of those who are truly evil:
Murderers
Cop killers (see above)
Rapists
Pedophiles
Terrorists (foreign and domestic)
What's the point in life imprisonment? whats the point in a taxpayer having to pay to feed, care for and quarter scum until their dying day?
Im not interested in the value of "being better than the criminal" or the tired argument that execution takes society to a murderers level. All I want to see is the truly evil elements of society eliminated.
Does it bring anyone back? does it ease the suffering of those who were victimized? No - but at least the world is safe in the knowledge that theres one less piece of shit in the world. <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
god dam, i've been trying to say that for 12 hours now <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> well said, i think that about sums up my opinion <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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The James Bulger case. HOW ON EARTH can anyobody just sit there and say oh they were only kids they didn't know any better? I don't know abot anyone else, but when I was 10 I wasn't immediately seized with the urge to kidnap a two year old and subject him to horrific abuse before finally killing him. Psychological tests doen on his killers show they are warped psychopaths who are entirely capable of killing again.
And this rehabilitation crap. I can't even begin to imagine where you namby pamby Eurocrats get it from. If i found the man I loved, then discovered he'd killed a two year old boy after raping his mother, would I CARE that he'd been 'rehabilitated'? Hell no. I'd b outta there quicker than you can say 'go'. In my mind, its impossible to change a persons mindframe. You can tell somebody a million times to be good, but if they're born bad, theres nothing you can do.
As long as it can be proved 130% beyond all
doubt that the offender is guilty of rape, murder, sex offences and other heinous crimes, kill the shit. Why bother wasting valuable resources keeping scum alive? Kill them and rid the world of the vermin.
What I find amazing is that you people actually think you are hurting or teaching these people a lesson by killing them..I mean WTF...They die in seconds and then feel no more suffering..How the hell is that punishment? Youre the one advocating the easy option for the criminals.
Whoop de fucking do...These people are fucked up in the head which is why they commit the crime and cannot be rehabilitated. Do you really think a quick painless death is going to put them off?
Slow and painful death..Yeah like thats ever gonna happen in this world.
Would you not class that as an emotional burden?
It isn't right sentencing a ten year old killer to death for one simple reason...THEY WERE 10. The law states that the punishment is determined by what age they were when they committed the crime. The killers of JB have served their time since the age of 10, being imprisoned since the age of 10 is very likely to be bad enough.
Bullshit. Who cares what age they were? Like I said before, how many 10 year olds do YOU know who have an insatiable urge to kidnap and kill toddlers??? The fact is, no matter what age they were, they killed a young innocent child who had never done anything to them. They snuffed out an innocent life, and deserve to be punished to the fullest extent. If that means death, so be it. I for one will not have any feeligns of remorse. Two less pieces of scum for us to worry about.
I see at least one...just above this post.
Oh ha de ha. Clever (I dont think). Think about it, Vox populi vox dei. I'm not walking out onto the street, picking out 2 kids and murdering them, am I? No. I'm talking about killing two murderers. Two murderers who snuffed out an innocent life. There is no way anyone can call these killers 'innocent.' I'm not talking about killing two 10 year old innocents, I'm talking about killing murderers.
touche!
However you look at it Tash, the majority of people don't agree with you. Many people see the death penalty as a barbaric form of "justice", a relic from less civilised times, reserved for backward states in the USA, the middle east and dicatorships.
Governments that try to govern through fear do not last long, they are consigned to the scrap heap of history.
Executing people does not deter criminals, people who kill on a spur of the moment thing are still going to kill if they see their partner in bed with someone else. Exectution is far more costly economically than incareceration as I have shown, it is also costly in terms of emotion. Killers still have families, they may have children, a wife/girlfriend. How will their children react when told "we are going to kill your father, he did a bad thing and now he is going to pay his debt to society and the family of his victim".
do you think they might grow up hating the government that is supposed to protect them? I know I would, I know if a government killed my mum/dad through self styled "justice" I would want to hit back at them, hard.
Goldielocks, you have to remember, we spend our lives discussing politics, if you bring up a controversial subject and we disagree with you, we will prove you wrong eventually if you do not have your facts straight. Welcome to our world.
You have to remember why we rid ourselves of the death penalty in this country in the 50s. It's not as simple as getting rid of murderers from the country. It's not just about the potential for rehabilitation either.
IMO, if a society is prepared to kill its murderers, society itself becomes no better than the criminal. It is a barbaric form of justice, and one that we have moved on from.
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Its not about options for the criminal, its not about teaching them a lesson, its about riding them from society, from tax payers money, from the same country that the family and friends of the victim have to pull their life back together in. Everybody is born with a right to life, if somebody decideds another person no longer has that right then they should also lose their own. You people seem to believe we should consider the murderer in the equation, what's worse for them ? we shouldn',t once they take a life, that's it they are no longer a consideration in my book, they are left to society to do as we please with them. Money, detterent and what makes us feel better about ourselves shouldn't be an issue either. People on this thread say such actions would brand us murderers, correct thats precisely what we would be, murderers premeditated simple as that, so ? we are murdering for the good of
all concerned not ourselves, not on innocent people, were murdering somebody who deserves to be murdered. If your going to take that line what gives us the right to inprison somebody ? does that make us kidnappers ?
To the man killing the guy in bed with his wife - no its not a burden, its murder.
I would have no trouble executing a child on the same merits that the said child knows right from wrong. The fact that the child is even released is sickening.
Do you then believe that a murderer can never learn to be a better person?
Do you think that murderers are born?
I saw a program recently, this suggested that the tendency to violent crime was partly in the genetic structure and that with recent advances it is becoming easier to detect and measure.
Would you then say that a baby found with this defect should be seperated from society or even killed?