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If it were up to me id have him in solitary confinement for the rest of his life. Take away all his rights, IE religion etc. No koran, no prayer mat, no prayers, shaved beard etc etc.
Whats the point in killing him? Hes not gonna feel any pain so wheres the revenge?
Fuckit, bring it back
Keeping them on death row for 10 years is torture enough, knowing to the day when you will die, but that it won't be for 10 years. In America, to clear their backlog of inmates they would have to execute one a day for 25 years. That's assuming that they are all guilty.
The prime cause of death on deathrow is natural causes, they wait around so long they peg it anyway.
And prison isn't the paradise everyone thinks it is. for 23 hours inmates are confined to their cells. They get 1 hour, spread throughout the day to eat, use a toilet, write letters. They get about 3 hours a week for exercise, and they are allowed 1 shower a week.
Prisons are horrendously overcrowded, with victorian era cells capable of holding 1, maybe 2 inmates being used to hold 3. In prisons like Wormwood scrubs you have infestastions of rats, cockroaches and other pests. The suicide rate in a local jail is approximately 30%. The national average is 6%.
So whatever you say, prisons really aren't the heavenly places you think of. You might not be there for long, but a 5 year stretch for assault will seem like an eternity.
eb i agree with you 100% on this, yes the others have made valid points, but in the end the prisoner has killed someone and made that persons final minutes, hours, days of theres lives a living hell and in doing that have done to there loved ones as well.
i'm not saying kill every barsted that kills someone but the ones who truely deserve it e.g. myra hindly, micheal stone, roy whiting.
and another subject that really gets me going is that of jamie bulger. what right have those two boys got to be walking round the streets with the surrounding public there new friends, girlfriends, ect totally obliovus to what crime they committed.
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So that gives us the right to make that person's last few YEARS hell??
Did you completely ignore my post? To exhaust all the legal obstacles and procedures necessary to put someone to death would take upwards of 10 years and cost the state a fortune. By the time 10 years has actually passed they have either:
died from natural causes, suicide, been given a lesser sentence. In which case all the time and money was wasted.
The Jamie Bulger case is inappropriate because the killers were only 8, or was it 10 years old? Where is the logic, sense and decency in executing someone for a crime they committed at the age of 10? The fact that they have to live the rest of their lives with guilt, and in fear for their lives should be enough.
Killers who kill children are undoubtedly sick, but killing them won't bring the victim back and won't go anyway to making the families feel better. The killer will be dead, but he wouldn't have suffered. It would have been over in seconds. Much better to keep them imprisoned for their natural lives, living with the guilt and knowledge that when they do die it will be slow, painful and they will end up in hell.
If we torture and kill it makes us no better than the 'animals' themselves, what separates 'us' and makes 'us' 'human' is compassion.
Ah well just my $2 I will say bring back the birch tho
I personally think that the death penalty is totally wrong, agreeing with many of the arguments against it above. Frankly, any society which uses it has no right to call itself civilised.
Also:
- Goldielocks
You're suggesting we decide who to execute based on how much media attention their crime received?
and another subject that really gets me going is that of jamie bulger. what right have those two boys got to be walking round the streets with the surrounding public there new friends, girlfriends, ect totally obliovus to what crime they committed.[/QB][/QUOTE]
how do you know they really deserve it, how do you know there hasn't bee a miscarriage of justice. Once you've killed someone you cant bring them back.
The Bulger kids were young enough to turn their lives around. Yes its awful that they did what they did but they deserve some help. I'm sure they'll never forget what they did but they have been given a chance to turn their lives around and if we believe that prisons can reahabilitate then they are a great example of a system that works.
Soltary confinement is common punishment, as is removal or priviledges, decrease in free time, and removal of exercise rights. According to my lecturer and one of my friends, people who complain usually find themselves transferred to another prison, usually Wormwood scrubs where the regime there is not dissimilar to that of a prison in a corrupt 3rd world dictatorship. The prison might have amenities, doesn't make the guards or your fellow inmates any nicer to you.
Prison in Britain is not a nice place, if it was 30% of the inmates wouldn't kill themselves.
* Someone kills a scumbag drug dealer who has been making their life hell
* A husband kills his wife who has been sleeping around and taunting him about it
* A peodophile abuses and kills lots of children
The last one is probably the one you will all say "deserves to be dead" but if you have capital punsihment, does it mean that *all* convicted murderers are put to death? You can not pick and choose.
Also, are we all in agreement that murder is the worst possible crime? What about systematic abuse, where the abusor wants the victim alive so they live in hell?
whowhere what does it matter on the cost ? we are dealing with an issue far far more imporatnt thatn cost <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
secondly that 1 hour a day, is one more hour than the dead person <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
prison may not be a 5-star hotel, but its hell of alot better than death, this isuue can only really be considered when you think long and hard about been dead, gone forever, never to do anything ever again, meanwhile our friend can do alot, all be it in restricted circumstance
it will go some of the way, no where near enough, but a small amount, it would go further than knowing the killer was still living in the same country as them <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
no, but the reson they get such media attention must be considered <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
that statistic is bollocks and you know it
The reason is...IT SELLS PAPERS.
2. Like eb says, cost has nothing to do with this. It's much more important.
3. As most people are saying, killing the murderer will not bring the victim back to life, and I don't think it will ease the pain of the victim's relatives in the long term when the emotions have settled.
4. Prison is not like a 5-star hotel (eb to Whowhere), but it should be tougher IMO.
5. KT's point about the different types of murder, particularly crimes of passion vs premeditated acts. It makes it difficult to decide who gets killed, and who locked up.
6. The 30% statistic is bollocks.
no shit sherlock, and it sells papers why ? because the ones highlighted are usually the most horrific, vicious, shocking acts of murder and they are the very ones which deserve to be treated in such a barbaric manner.
Im sorry eb, but how exactly do you know that? Have you any idea what its like to be either dead or in prison for your entire life?
I can safely say that I would much rather be dead than spend my entire natural life in prison.
that is just one prison, and unless wormwood is the entire british prison system, your stat is bollocks <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Wormwood scrubs is an example of the British prison system.
The rest of the prison system has a suicide rate approximately 20% higher than that of the general population.
Like I said before, despite the fuzzy warm pictures you see in the media, prison is a harsh, cruel regime. I'd rather be dead than to live the rest of my life in a cramped, dark, dirty smelly cell. A lot of murderers and rapists do remain in prison for their natural lives, just because the media doesn't report it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Yes i know exactly what its like to be dead, imagine been asleep and never waking up, thats the be all and end all of death as far as i'm concerned, once your eyes shut, thats it nothing.
I can safely say if given the choice of been dead by sunday, or been in prison for the rest of my life i'd take the latter, although an awful life, its a life, to know who won the world cup, to know how my family and friends are, to see all the future's news stories, who shot jfk <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">, to be able to laugh, to cry, sing, wank <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> a much more appealing option than death <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
i suppose it could depend on what you believe happens after death, but for me, you die then rot and thats it <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
wormwood scrubes is hardly a fair representation though is it, average deaths across the whole system would be a far more useful stat
i find it very hard to believe you'd rather be dead than in prison
i mean prison is so bad, anybody released would never re-offend would they <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
You'd like to live, knowing that you killed somebody? Watching the world go by you, watching loved ones decide you aren't worth knowing anymore? Losing your job, having nothing to come out to when you are finally released?
An inmate is faceless, they experience nothing of the outside world, they watch it pass them by, the whole point of being locked in a cell 23 hours a day is so you have time to think about why you are there, and believe me you would. Everyday you would be cursed to see the last look of horror on your victim/s, their screams, the look of anguish on their family's while you were in court, the looks people give you as you leave. You know deep down that you have taken a life. In the eyes of society you are less than nothing, and as far as the law is concerned you will always be less than nothing, even after your release.
The people who reoffend are usually druggies, robbers, burgalars.
Murderers and rapists usually aren't given chance to reoffend, and the prospect of another 20 years in prison is not an exciting one.
But you could say that people would rather take the risk-if it is true that only 3% of crime ends up in a conviction, and a person has the choice of sitting on the dole or doing a bit of crime, then many would choose the latter.
Yep thats exactly what I think...Whats so bad about that? Nothingness and oblivion...How can it possibly be bad when you arent even aware of anything..You will just stop.
Glad to see youve got your priorities right <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Dont care what you believe mate, its the truth. Oh and its life in prison, not just being in prison for a short period.
yes i would, as shit as it would be, yes - i'm not trying to pretend prison is an o.k place to be, i've never said that, but i still believe its better than nothing at all, its probably better than been homeless as well. Alot of these morons don't believe themselves to be that bad anyway, take sarah paynes's killer, i bet he's sat in his cell know quite happily minding his own buisness, waiting for his next visit, reading a book, a newspaper - if death is a fate far worse, why is the suicide level only 30% (to use your stupid figure) why are they not all strining themselves up ?
Because the majority of inmates aren't serving a 20 year stretch for the rape and murder of young women.