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Were you EVER a teenager? Or being a redneck you believe that sex before marriage is the ultimate sin?
Do you people seriously think abortion is an easy choice? It isn't like popping to the hairdressers, you don't go in do the deed and come out feeling great you know.
You come out feeling like an utter failure! I didn't want to just be another statistic and it hurt to know that I was.
I was made to feel like a piece of sh1t in that hospital. I was looked at like I was scum. Do you think that was easy for me? It isn't easy now I have been told I probably wont be able to have any more kids!! I have to live with the knowledge that I killed my only chance at motherhood and you think thats f*cking easy???!!!!!! Well I guess you people will say that's my punishment and maybe it is but that doesn't ease the pain I feel.
I am not scum, I am not a murderer, I am a kind,caring,responsible and mature person. I had an abortion because I didn't feel I could give a child the best life at that time. I didn't see it as a simple choice, you have no idea of the agony you go through when deciding to terminate a pregnancy and I hope you never will.
It's extremely easy to judge people when you haven't been in their shoes, it's also extremely unfair.
He's American, they have a habit of judging people.
As for the rest of your story, I'm very sorry for your loss, I'm also going through the conscequences of sex, although it hasn't got to your point yet, and I hope it doesn't. Although there are still things that me and the girl need to sort out, although she is taking her sweet time about it.
We just don't live in a 'no consequences' world;
fattee...you had an abortion, murdered your child, and won't shut up about it...but of course you made the right choise...now we have to listen to you on the subject = consequences!
Whowhere...it's too late for both of you...= consequences! Grow up and get right...it is her decision to have the child that you want to murder...you poor pitifull dear! Life just won't be right for you now that you have to pay the piper...no sympathy here!
Procreation is just that...it is fun, it is a pleasure...it is about creating life...!
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Are you saying that to us or yourself?
I was beginning to think you were ok, with abit more sense than the Thanatos twins. But you have just proved yourself to be even more of a slackjawed red neck than they have.
You don't give a shit about the young lady's life...only that you must be held responsible and pay for your conduct...you poor, pooor dear! How tragic this is for you to deal with.
If you didn't like here then why did you bone her? Just another personla choise with out consequences I suppose...but you insult everyone by seeking sympathy for your cause over hers...which is to have the child. I can't help but wonder what she sees in you to desire motherhood and a child of your parentage?
You made this personal...that others don't sympathise is hardly cause for insults...!
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How you dare judge me and call me a murderer!Since when did you become God?
Everyone at some point makes a mistake. I was on the pill when I got pregnant diesel, I was taking precautions. I wasn't a silly little school girl who was naive about the facts of having sex. That's why I made sure I was protected, I was unfortunate and I had to make an unfortunate choice, does that really make me such an awful person?
I do care about what happens to her and the baby, however I don't understand why she wants to keep it, maybe if you read the post in the relationships forum you'd have an inkling of what might be going on. The genral jist is that because of the nature of our relationship, she may be having the baby in an attempt to get me back, or she may be lying about the whole thing. Either way, at the moment i am not in the mood for the ethics of it all.
I don't have the time to go to the 'relationships' forum and read all the details...however, you are in a position to step down/back...and do something else.
This is why 'god' made DNA and blood tests...and if she really is pregnant you have a right to know the results if she is laying a 'trip' on you. But you don't have a right to dictate to here whether or not you must be with her regardless of the consequences!
And you're just not in the mood for it...ROTFLMAO! And your mood means exactly what in this discussion?
Manhood is not about one night stands...if it is then you really don't want to know your partner 'that' well anyway.
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Why do i not have a right to dictate wether I will go back to her or not? Sure, i'll look after the baby, but I won't go back to someone for that, because I know it wont work out. I want her to have an abortion because I have seen many wrecked lives, with single teenage mothers walking about, I dont want her to become one of them.
How exactly am I in a posistion to step back from it all, if you have just said I'm stuck with the conscequences?
As for mood, I meant I'm not in the mood to justify my feelings about the whole thing to some supposedly morally superior yank. You talk about abortion being murder, but you are quite happy to have served in the armed forces, where killing is your job?
And for your information...I never said I opposed post birth abortion...which is another way of looking at military killing.
A soldier killing the enemy is not murdering them...he or she is just following orders! (I know, that line didn't work for the Germans but that is only because they lost the war.)
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You are a typical yank!
Abortion is not illegal here and therefore cannot be classed as murder. Soldiers killing soldiers isnt murder because its legal in war. You cant have it both ways.
Killing is only murder if its illegal.
Fatteee, please stop being so racist. He may be offensive but insult him personally, not an entire race.
i appreciate that people have strong opinions on the subject of abortion, but i didnt create the post so it could turn into a Jerry Springer show
i love hearing the opinions of people from different walks of life, but i think that taking digs at each other should be left in the playground.
You don't have to take crap from Diesel. He is judging something he knows nothing about and he is judging you based on his own morals.
It's all he can do ... because he asumes that all women who get pregnant had some control over the situation his belief is that it is our fault and we should live with the consequences however hard they are. What he fails to accept is that abortion is NOT Illegal and so therefore those of us who feel we have to terminate a pregnancy are doing NOTHING LEGALLY WRONG.
The problems arise when we start to think we are perhaps Morally wrong. What Deisel fails to understand is that Morals are different for different people based upon their upbringing, experience and possibly even their intellect.
He is trying to do the impossible - force other people to live life according to his moral outlook.
All you should be worried about it that you are happy with your own moral stance.
As I've said before - I don't think people should use Abortion as just another form of contraception and people should take more care with their methods of contraception but you cannot determine in most cases who is being truthful about the way they became pregnant...it is very easy to go to the doctor and say you have had a contraceptive failure when really you took no precautions.
However there are some very genuine contaceptive failures (See what happened to me) and of course there is rape! So how can those making the decisions deny women a legal procedure when they cannot determine that the woman is not lying.
Deisel's opinions may be based upon religion, hatred of women, bad experiences, what his parents taught him, fear of reprisal Any number of things, but that doesn't mean his moral outlook is the one that you should follow.
He can never get into yoour head...don't even let him try. .......
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One thing to the person with the one night stand. ..... Didn't you think of using contraception? it would have protected you from the future you are now so worried about.
Whowhere, I wish people like you would have slept with someone with AIDS instead of a girl that is willing to be responsable for her actions.
A question, why don't you feel great after you have an abortion? Is it because the surgury made you woosy, or the fact that a human being with detectable brain waves had a needle stuck into his/her head and had their brains suctioned out. I think this is enough fuel for the fire for now. Don't want it to get to hot.
What a fucking disgusting things to say!!! Whatever someone has done, you never wish for someone to get a virus which in the end run will end there life. For that your a fucking cock.
Whowhere is one of the cool guys that always gives sound advice(thats my opinion), and unfortunately fate has chosen to give him a problem which he wished had never happened. He has taken the decision in that an abortion is the best action for himself, the woman he slept with and what he thinks the best interests for the unborn child. Dont start that the child hasnt got the choice hes taking the action before a baby grows in the womb!!!
Obviously your not bothered if you have a child, its obvious with your hill billy ways of having 10 kids named billy joe!!! Your country is famous for it, so dont try giving other people shite about wishing they got AIDS!!
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For so long as women control sex in our society the ultimate decision and responsability is with them.
If a soldier believes/knows in his/her heart that if they kill it is murder...then for them it is so...the same with the abortion/ist!
Words here do not matter...justification is upon the doer and not the observer; a woman/girl geting an abortion who in her heart believes she has murdered her unborn child will forever be affected by the deed and no other act or actions will so consume her life as this one.
For myself, I condemn the deed...not the doer who must live or die with the consequences of her conduct...motherhood is not about murder...if it is already in her heart then perhaps she did well and suffers no consequences.
I won't hold your hand and tell you all is well and that you did right for yourself and the unborn child...I'm not going to lie to you...and most certainly don't intend to lie to myself!
Bury your unborn and murdered child in your black heart and shut up about it...you did wrong in the first place, then you compounded your evil deed by telling the world.
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I don't believe in killing animals for food or clothing, I don't insult meat eaters and fur/leather wearers though.
If you don't like something or agree with someones actions then that's perfectly fine but at the end of the day you have no right to judge because you know NOTHING about this issue. In future maybe you could disagree without being such an evil b*stard!
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Frankly, I don't give a fart in a windstorm about what you eat or don't eat...or what your response is to others who eat differently. I was born on a farm, we killed and processed our own meat and I consider that a valueable learning experience...and it is with a warm memory that I recall my grandfather who was so adept at doing these things and hunting...that he would not slaughter his own cows for beef. We ate them but they were taken to a packing house...he truly loved these beasties and just couldn't bring himself to do them harm.
I am not your judge...it's not my guilt trip to lay on you...indeed, I hope that you are able to find and have a good life in spite of what you have done...as for what I know of the subject...abortion! Well, basically I think that the wrong people get them for the wrong reasons...applied eugenics probably sums that one up!
You are neither judged/loved/hated by me...not my job! You are your only one who can decide whether you conducted yourself properly and in accordance with your own standards...I don't have to be an 'evil bastard' to tell you this simple truth...but you are the only one who can listen and then only if you choose to!
The classic defination of insanity is 'one who is out of agreement with their own reality' and this about covers much of this discussion.
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I think there has been enough childish name-calling here. Make a useful contribution or go elsewhere, you are old enough to know better.
You are entitled to your opinion, but this is becoming abusive. Please tone it down.
Understand that I know that nothing that I might say will tear at one's heart like those from your own soul! Truly, I am compassionate toward this young lady...I also believe that she was either sold a bill of goods or sold them to herself...there is much anguish in her words and a touch of grief...it is not easy to compfort such when you, I, have such strong feelings about the subject as do we all.
Hopefully, my last post will make it easier for her...!
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Yeah, your right all Americans are hill billies. Just like a Liberal Extreamist who is about to lose an arguement to resort to calling the oposition a bunch of back woods, radicals that are blinded by their religion. No I don't believe in having a lot of kids. I don't plan on having any, but if I helped concieve a child than I would do whatever I had to do to take care of it. If it has the genetic makeup of a human it is a human. So in your opinion should we kill all retarded people because to us their lives can't be as fulfilling as ours?
"As for you, go get your gun and shoot a few endangered animals which yanks love to do as well!!! Dick!!"
Yep, I'm thinking of hunting a grey whale this weekend actually. I know some condors that need to be pouched. And then there is that Black Rino horn I need "Just Because". Where the F*ck did that come from? I have never said anything about neglecting animal rights. But when it comes down to it, I am more important than any animal.
Your last post made nothing easier for me. Reading your crap has upset me a great deal but that is my problem, I understand there are still people in this world with minds as narrow and judgmental as yours.
If I could go back in time I probably wouldn't have had a termination because I have found it extremely hard to forgive myself and think of it every single day. It is on my mind every morning when I wake and every night when I go to bed.
Nothing you can say will make that easier for me. I don't expect sympathy but maybe a little empathy wouldn't hurt. It's very easy to say this wouldn't happen to you or that you would take responsiblity ie.have a child you couldn't afford to have, emotionally or financially, but when it actually happens, it's a whole different story.
Nobody wants to kill their own flesh and blood and it isn't something which is easily decided, people who take this decision have to live with the fact they killed their own, every single day for the rest of their lives and they certainly don't need small minded people like you spewing out the kind of crap that you have on here.