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You need to calm down a little.
Byny has never shown any sign of being 'happy' about her choice. I for one like to hear about peoples own experiences as they tend to have a lot more credibility than the crap most of us post on here.
More than one person has experience of abortion, though. Byny is coping well with her termination, but she does seem to imply that people who dont are strange.
I would be VERY UNHAPPY if the option of having an abortion was taken away from me.
If I was Agressive it was in response to the person who said that in most cases women deserve to be raped, and the fact that he used this opinion to justify women being forced to go through with having a baby they don't want or cannot cope with (mentally or financially).
I am only trying to get rid of this myth put about by pro-lifers that a woman will feel uncontrollable guilt if they go through with a termination. it's not always true and if you have a supporting partner then it actually makes it easier.
I also don't think that people take enough care over their contraception and they should not expect to be allowed abortion on demand just because they are too stupid or forgetful to sort it out beforehand.
I'm not sitting here waving a banner and encouraging people to go get an abortion!!! Don't know how on earth you could have got it so wrong!
OK point taken.
I don't think people who don't cope are strange but I do think people who want to use abortion as a contraceptive and then go on about how depressed they are because of it are irrisponsible and strange.
I can be a bit forthright but I think it's important to show that there are people in this world who aren't fucked up by everything all the time.
people do sometimes need to get a grip on reality and realise only they can be responsible for their own futures.
I also agree with you about the pro-lifers, a woman doesnt have to feel uncontrollable guilt forever because they, in their words, killed a baby, but I can see how some people would see your words to mean youre being flippant and uncaring.
About that rape person, Ive got private messages off of him and they make me feel ill. But hey, all woman who are raped must be neurotic liars, cos a 16 year old Catholic male said so <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Good for you, but theres a difference between falling to pieces and feeling regretful. The person who feels no regret concerns me, but if you fall to pieces Im just as concerned for you.
Im not talking about guilt, if you made your mind up to be right then you obviously wont feel guilty. But if you never wonder what the baby would have been like, or never think about the termination, then maybe it is a little unusual. But thats not to say that youre a cold-heartede bitch for not feeling like that.
After reading through all of the replies(took me long enough)I would say I am the same with most people in that in certain cases it is appropriate for abortion and euthanasia.
One thing I would like to ask all the people that are totally against abortion in that it should never be done is that in China it is tradition for a family to have a baby boy(also a preference due to the one baby per family rule)so if a mother and father produces a baby girl the girl is simply thrown away and abandoned. If the baby girl is found and doesnt die due to lack of food and the cold outside they are taken to a orphanage. The baby girls are then tied to wooden stools with metal wire in a row were they are left to stare at cold bare walls were they soil themselves and no one cleans them they also have no change of clothes so they will sit in the same soiled clothes for the rest of thier lifes, also with the fact that they are left they end up harming themselves usually in the form of hitting there head of the wooden stools or the brick walls as they have nothing else to do. Some children beat each other on the head to distract them to make the time go quicker as well as they are left 24 hours a day in the same seat in the same clothes for most of the year.
No one loves the baby girls, no one cares for the baby girls the country would rather see that the baby girls would vanish.
I know this as I saw it on a documentary shown on channel 4 sometime ago and I did some more research as what I saw brought me to tears at the pain and suffering the baby girls were put through and how someone or people could simply disregard life so coldly
My question is, do you think that if these baby girls had a choice they would seriously choose to live it or do you think they would have been better that an abortion was done??
I know what option I would like if I was ever to be in that situation, and I hope that I never will be in that situation as it scares me to death.
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I have no idea where you came up with the whole sitting on chairs in soiled clothes for the rest of their lives but its crap and if it did happen, it was a one off.
They arent in orphanages for their entire life, they do grow up and leave the orphanage. Of course they would rather be dead while in awful conditions in an orphanage but how about 10 years later when they have a loving wife and child along with a great job and great life? Would they still think they would rather have been aborted?
Anyone who has been in such an awful position during their lives sometimes wishes they were dead. That doesnt mean they would be better off having never been born.
One thing I never said was that this was china am not that fucking stupid, but with that reply you seem to make the point that I am!! Which I dont really appreciate as I have got a lot of time for you mate, as I agree with most of the points you make on this forum.
I was only trying to see if people against abortion would still have the same thought in a different scenario.
Also what I saw is what I saw, I find it quite hard not to believe actual footage that was taken from secret cameras which were sneaked into the orphanage to let the outside world see what was going on so dont call me a liar that talks rubbish av got better things to do with my time than make up lies.
I also never said that it was still going on, yet again I was only trying to make the people against abortion think of it in a different perspective and if I gave the thought by what I said that it was still going on then I do apologies as that is something I do not know.
I was only wanting to see peoples replies and thoughts thats all.
But if I have caused you so much anger then all keep my interest in what people think to myself.
Fuck me, you really need to calm down. I wasnt having a go at you at all.
I said this wasnt China because the two countries are incomparable with regard to treatment of children. China is probably the single worst human rights violator in the world today.
Im also not calling you a liar. I did a lot of research into the whole China one child policy back at school. The orphanges are set up by people who do care about the children. If nobody cared then there would be no orphanages, the girls would just die on the street in even greater numbers.
I dont doubt you saw what you described on a documentary but as I said, it was probably a one off.
None of us can decide whether someone is better off alive or aborted unless we have been in their situation.
Again, I wasnt having a go at you and if it came across like that then im sorry. <IMG alt="image" SRC="smile.gif" border="0">
Thought you were having a go at me I sometimes hate forums as you can totally pick up someone the wrong way and with my nickname which descibes me pretty well it happens a lot. I was just shocked as I though you were having a go at me which I never thought would happen as I think I am kinda on the same wave length as you. Well you disagree with most things byny says and am the exact same
Am also a bit stressed(you guessed right) as I am waiting on my results for my uni course and I really want to pass it as I love doing it. SO I think that could have added to my wrong interpetation of your reply. I think my last post describes what the post about china was really for, I just wanted to see if peoples opinion changed in different circumstances thats all. Think al leave it though.
Anywho, really sorry mate and I will try and keep my anger pointed at byny(only kiddin <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0"> )
But don't you think you implying that I think all people who don't have regrets about a termination or feel guilt are abnormal and telling me I'm not allowed to have that opinion (Which isn't mine but one you projected onto me) but wanting to hold completely the opposite opinion - that IM the abnormal one - is a little unfair.
I don't think people who have bad feelings after an abortion are abnormal, I just wish that people didn't get this idea that all women feel like this because some of us just dont.
Somehow I think this thread should have been on the Sex forum...anyway...abortion was always treated as murder when I was a child growing up...truly a sad issue much like the ancient pagan religions requireing child sacrafices...Baalism comes to mind...but there were many more.
A totally different scenario.
As you can see from the original question it's a subject that results in very different opinions. Just because you were told as a child that Abortion is murder it doesn't mean that those of us who weren't are wrong.
The human rights issues in China are not a reason to allow abortions they are a reason to put the Chinesse under check for their violations.
Frankly, I support post birth abortion for some folks...just a matter of applied eugenics...and, o'h yes there is another one, war! Must controll the excess population, especially if they are in the way of progress.
Does that offend you? It should! But the fact is, it's true...based upon current world events.
Having known a few women who had abortions out of convenience I can only say that they were really screwed up (no double entendre intended) and just could not shut up about it...clustering with other pathetic women to beat the subject to death...worse than old women at a bible study.
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Perhaps it's just the kind of women you attract?
See earlier conversation for insight into this whole Abortion fucks you up thang.
It depends on the individual, the way they made the decision, their morals, religion, state of mind etc.
Each of us is different.
As for the kind of women I hang out with, usually beautiful (all women are beautiful) Eastern Europen ladies who are younger than my children...can't stand old broads and once they are out of their 20's they start being 'old' and if they haven't captured 'motherhood' yet are progressively less interesting. (just my view...not intending to be insulting or overly sexist!)
Because of the disabeling attitudes of women who have murdered their children I find them less than attractive on a personal basis...however, we treat them with compassion and decency in spite of what we view as a crime against nature.
Eric Rudolph, where are you? The man has saved thousands of lives just by living his.
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OK - so the women you have met have been screwed up by it, but my point is that there are plenty out there who aren't despite you projecting YOUR distaste onto them.
I'm just challenging this idea that all people who have an abortion are screw ups...not true. All people you mees maybe, but not ALL people.
I dunno - are you an abortion Consellor or something!!!
Whatever.. some people are screwed up bu other things, some people are not screwed up by abortion so it's unfair to generalise. Also - they are having a legal operation (In this country at least) so by definition it aint murder so they are not murdeers. If the law changed then so would the 'crime'.
At the moment it isn't a crime. However, - shooting Doctors who perform abortions is and yet some people think that is acceptable.
Thats the ironic thing about pro-lifers, they defend the right to life then go and kill doctors. Same with anti-hunt people who claim animal rights then batter horses..they are scum. Fair enough disagreeing with something, but the doctors are not doing anything wrong in the eyes of the law, but these 'people' are taking it upon themselves to be judge, jury and executioner. Isnt that what they slag the doctors off for?
Pro-lifers are hypocrites.
Not all pro-lifers are hypocrites. I think you find that only a tiny minority support killing abortion doctors.
Anyone who uses violence to further their cause is a twat anyway. All it ever does is alienate any moderate support you may have had.
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BTW, new legislation going through the House right now makeing consception the point where Humans have rights as citizens
Child murder and sacrafice was legal in Caanan under the priest of baal! Doesn't change what is in the heart.
Seeing murder clinics bombed and abortionist and those supporting them shot in the street is truly disturbing...and those doing such things are saving lives...how many thousands we'll never know. It is an issue that some folks are very passionate about and while their acts are viewed as terrorism...the acts of the abortionist are viewed by them the same way.
murder is murder...!
Well except for the fact that its not. Its not murder in either your country or mine. The killing of unborn children is not, and probably never will, be illegal in either of our countries.
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And it shouldn't be either. Christians harp on about following God e.t.c., but ignore the bit about us having free will over our destiny, by casting us out of eden, we were given the power to shape our lives however we see fit. Claiming abortion is wrong on religious grounds is total crap, if it wasn't then God himself would not allow it to continue. The same way he allows us to kill, maim and cause suffering all over the world.
I am going through this situation at the moment. The girl i did the deed with does not believe in abortion, and she is quite happy to sit back and let it ruin the lives of 3 people. Me, her and the baby. If I am made to support this baby then my future is over, as is hers. Outlawing abortion will ruin the lives of many people, preventing them from having a second chance.