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They enforce the law, they dont need to follow it.
There is absolutely no evidence that it acts as a deterant. The murder rate is significantly higher in the US than the EU, yet their prisons are harder and they have the death penalty.
The current system can actually be a lot crueller than killing someone, if only our prisons weren't full. If only dangerous, violent criminals were put in prisons, they'd all live in a climate of real fear.
In some states with the death penalty it's significantly lower (and of course some states without it's higher).
does it deter all murders - no
Does it deter some - yes
Indeed. In fact the murder rate in states where there is the death penalty is actually higher than in those without it.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=169
I think community punishment does have its place, but it has something of a "reputation" problem too. It's seen, for some reason, as a soft option. I deem that unlikely. Personally, I think that those who are doing community punishment should have to wear certain uniforms or clothing to show everyone else what they are doing. The disapproval of society is usually something which changes people's ways very quickly - it's worked for thousands of years already, and it will continue to work for thousands more years.
Of course, you had to slip in a comment about "New Labour" which isn't really fair. You cannot blame this on party politics, in terms of views, because there are other parties who will also play to the gallery in the same way - tough on crime, tough on the causes. Funny how each party is only really interested in the former...
They look for headlines and tough sentences will get those, helping tthe poor etc won't.
on the whole, an excellent post SG in how you argue that i must say :thumb:
prison population wouldn't be an issue if you only put people who need to or should be kept away from society like violent criminals and repeat offenders, whilst dealing with mental illness with combined treatment and punishment and social problems with repairing the damage you've done
In other words it has a lot more to do with the society, areas of poverty and social mobility than it does about the death penalty.
Indeed they did, this might explain further your points about the mentally ill in prisons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care_in_the_Community
A failed policy and too many of those who need effective pychiatric care are now back in institutions that cannot meet their needs.
The bitch really should die in jail... Attempting murder but failing and instead leaving them blind, partially deaf and with kidney failure and brain damage - needing 24hr care is as bad... The evil she has brought isn't forgivable, there's no way people like her should ever be allowed back into society.
It costs less to kill you, than treat you for any medical condition.
But thanks for the heads up about not wanting to be resuscitated dude, I will make sure it gets added to your medical notes.
If thats kenny richey your on abouts there thats a bad example cause he aint innocent far from it,im from where he's actually from(i actually drink in his local sum times seen him abouts) and i have checked alotta stuff out abouts his trial and he aint innocent its more a case if you appeal enough you'll eventually find a technicality sumwhere.
for the record im not sure if id want the death penalty or not but the bottom line is jail aint really much of a deterent,i think thats what we have to change,doing time should really mean doing time,i hate america but i suppose there jails are what our prisons should be like real time,locked up 24/7 get excercise for 15mins then back in lock down,as for peadophilles and the like we should torture the bastards till they die a pain and slow death.
What an amazing coincidence. In the 3 months that Charles Bronson was a free man he used to throw the most amazing parties. Interesting man, but a complete nutter.
how can 12 year olds commit murder and get 1 year and to top it all I never read that their parents would loose custody of them once they are out, we all can imagine what kind of upbringing they had (if any at all) time to stop saying poor darlings need rehabilatating bla bla bla to start with the parents should loose custody of them and any other children they have and hell why not sentence them to death ? what will they grow into ? because you will never convince me they will get rehabilitated
It's more expensive to put someone to death that it is to keep them alive.
you are a scary lunatic!
no whats your problem you contemplating murder ?
a man was killed today by two lads that got pissed off cause he told them off for throwing a chocolate rapper in his car window. I think they should be beated to death what the fuck is the matter with people ?
do people rthink they have the right to anoy others and then kill them if they get anoyed themselves ? ok it was the fall that killed him not the puch but please
in all other things we always blame the wrong people (such as the exagerate health and safety rules) but when people are directly responsable they hardly get punished
Which is manslaughter and not murder. I take it you believe a woman who has been abused for 15 years and suddenly snaps and kills her husband should be beaten to death as well? You have to take each case on it's merit.
Oh and for the record, rehabilitation is possible and you are taking out of your hole. Go take a chill pill.
what about the nurse that boasted about her (or was it his I didn't catch all the details) murders ? what does she deserve to be kept at our exspenses for the rest of her life ?
Could you handle twelve months in Strangeways or Armley castle?
Imagine having to survive there for twenty thirty years ...most of them repeatedly try and end such hellish punishment by topping themselves ...they want to die ...why should we help them?
well either a way should be found that they support themselves and the guards that guard them or yes its time to help them out, why should we pay the way of a murderer.
people say it costs more to put them to death than keep them what about the millions spent on building prisons and paying for guards and food etc.
do we still have hard labour ? I bet we don't they probably decided that even thats against human rights