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My thoughts exactly.
Er, you'd have to do that anyway if we still had the death penalty.
Prisoners do very boring repetetive labour in the city centre jails plus hard labour on farms.
Everything that is eaten in jail is produced in jail ...the beds the knives and forks the clothes ...all made by prisoners.
Not sure what you mean but its a job init.
Why are you so worried about costs ...the reality is ...if all prisons ceased to exist ...if all social security was stopped ...you wouldn't be a penny better off.
That's right. And thank fuck for that.
So lets say I'm a stupid youth with nothing to do and I decide to murder a random person in the street (say YOU) is it right that the victims family have to pay for the murderes keep (via their taxes) we know chances are the murderer will not be rehabilited, does anybody have any succesess stories of rehabilitated murderers ?
I realy don't understand the obsession with money.
I suspect there must have been hundreds of cases in the last century in Britain alone.
Of course some murderers can be rehabilitated.
And for those who can't, there is prison. Because if you think they should be killed instead simply to save money, you are as bad as the hypothetical stupid youth with nothing to do who decides to murder a random person.
Worse, in fact. At least the youth can say he's stupid. Killing someone in cold blood after a cold calculation that concluded it might be cheaper than keeping them alive denotes a level of premeditation and contempt for the sanctity of human life that can only be described as pure evil.
frankly I would not and have no problem admitting that I'm not the killer type I just don't understand anyone that commits murder.
its not so much an obsession with money but thats the immediate problem, then of course these people may escape and who is going to decide they are "rehabilitated" what if the don't "rehabilitate" by the end of their sentence ?
How many dangerous criminals have escaped in the last twenty years?
By the way ...there isn't enough work for every prisoner and some prisoners are not allowed to work as many other prisoners would have the opportunity to kill them ...and they would.
Those who don't work are in a cell/dungeon ...23 hrs a day ...if it's rain9ng ...24 hrs a day. Imagine that for twenty years plus ...it's difficult to imagine for three months isn't it.
British jails are not a soft touch ...ask the staff who have to work in them.
I think there's better ways to post on these boards than to simply hammer someone with insults because you don't like their viewpoint... Show a little sense please.
You would if it were true. It possibly is for America where they have an expensive law system and cheap prisons. twenty years of appeals isn't cheap. But plenty of countries don't have the same endless legal wrangling and can get it done cheaply.
Now, that's not an argument for the death penalty, and there are plenty of argument's against it, but the cost argument is flawed.
But I can't really agree with the whole "no its wrong because of morals blah blah" thing. If you walked in on someone lets say for arguments sake. Someone molesting your sibling/child or someone killing them or about to kill them. Would you kill them to save thier life? Or for revenge. I sure as hell would, or at least injure the bastard so the courts can deal with the criminal.
It was a question.
Sorry :angel:
another alternative is put them in the army and ship them straight to afganistan where the CAN repay their debt to society
I wouldn't imagine he would ever pose a danger to you or me or the guy driving the securicor truck ...this guy will go through hell in jail ...emotionaly ...not the kind of guy the other cons will punish ...yes this guy probably can be rehabilitated.
if people can't cope with emotions then what is the world coming to ? perhaps we all want it too easy in life, couldn't he kill his wife instead ?
Strong emotional devastation obviously hasn't reached you yet ...i hope it never does.
no I don't live a protected life, I spent four years working sleeping eating and in between trying to help my dad out of his own marriage his mother has only ever applied to me all the misgivings of my mum (that I don't actually have) I can't really say I have a family member I can rely on for any help my aunt does nothing but tell my nan bad things about me that are not true, I had a boss that was a nasty bastard (and ex preist at that) he used to make my life misery (theres no such thing as treating an employee fairly in italy) at times I though what am I living for, often I came to the conclusion my boss derserved nothing short of death he worked me like a machine like i would work 15 days in a row 12-14 hours a daynon stop no lunch break or tea breaks or get endless verbal abuse that made me incapable of concentrating on my work and of course it was my fault if I got it wrong or could make a broken machine work, he had no feelings put his wonderous family before all others and had no thought for my personal life just hon how much money he could make out of me, did I murder him ? NO I had no purpose in life and slim chances of getting out of the situation, I was hated by all and had no friends it seems in this particular place it was a crime to be foreign and capable of getting on with life and getting decent grades at school where I was verbally abused constantly is that enough for you ? was that a sheltered life ? I don't go round crying on peoples shoulders and thinking that my problems give me the right to kill I've only ever helped people and often gotten nothing back but nastiness.
are you maybe extreme in your views?
where are you
No number of examples addresses the single argument that trips you up: there is absolutely no way of being certain, and history is filled with examples of people being set free on appeal who you would've killed.
Just to be clear, no one is required to put any information in their profiles - they shouldn't expected to be questioned about it either. If someone said, 'anyone know a good bar round here' I could see why someone would ask where they were - I can't think of a single reason it's relevant here.
We should punish them whilst protecting us. How is killing them punishing them?
How is us exacting revenge by stabbing them ...shooting them ...injecting mutililating or suffocating them ...any kind of example?
NO NO NO ...all i'm saying is that the profile didn't tell me anything in trying to understand the guy. Age experience etc.
His answer gave me an insight and if it's a true statement then all power to the guy.