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Tesco wants cheap alcohol banned
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Tesco and the government are already thick as thieves... so the alliance continues.
The government wants to tax us more - and Tesco want to make even bigger profits.
I'm fed up of all this endless criticism of so-called 'cheap alcohol.' With the exception of Scandinavia alcohol is much cheaper in other European countries. In France, Germany, Spain and Italy alcohol is generally cheaper.
Admittedly we have some problems with drinking and anti-social/violent behaviour. And if existing laws on violent behaviour and underage drinking were enforced 'cheap alcohol' wouldn't be a problem.
I really don't see how raising prices will solve deep-rooted social problems which is the cause of some drink-related problems...
It's outrageous to punish the majority of us who might drink a bit too much but don't cause trouble... If the govt goes down the line of higher prices it'll be yet more proof that Labour is committed to lazy indiscriminate one-size-fits-all policy.
Tesco and the government are already thick as thieves... so the alliance continues.
The government wants to tax us more - and Tesco want to make even bigger profits.
I'm fed up of all this endless criticism of so-called 'cheap alcohol.' With the exception of Scandinavia alcohol is much cheaper in other European countries. In France, Germany, Spain and Italy alcohol is generally cheaper.
Admittedly we have some problems with drinking and anti-social/violent behaviour. And if existing laws on violent behaviour and underage drinking were enforced 'cheap alcohol' wouldn't be a problem.
I really don't see how raising prices will solve deep-rooted social problems which is the cause of some drink-related problems...
It's outrageous to punish the majority of us who might drink a bit too much but don't cause trouble... If the govt goes down the line of higher prices it'll be yet more proof that Labour is committed to lazy indiscriminate one-size-fits-all policy.
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If exisiting laws preventing intoxicated people from buying alcohol were enforced then we wouldn't have the same problems. The laws are there already but landlords want to make as much money as possible by getting bums on seats with happy hour deals and BOGOF deals. Supermarkets get people through the door with cheap booze offers because they know that people decide how cheap a supermarket is by how cheaply they sell "essential" items like milk, bread and booze.
More tax isn't the answer but the government don't want us to realise that.
Yep. And archaic licensing hours.
Banning cheap alcohol is not prohibition....
As if any more proof were needed...
Correct. However, i wasn't suggesting it was.
The logic of banning cheap alcohol appears to be that less well-off people now won't be able to afford to buy - as much -alcohol, and more-well off people will think think twice about buying it; the upper echelons of the economic scale remain untouched, as usual. All you've done there is put a big ol' symptomatic sticky-plaster over everyone, after completely ignoring the causes of problem drinking as well as punishing the vast majority of people who aren't problem drinkers.
Now following the current government's tact of introducing draconian, ill-thought-out, blanket laws - it seems to be that the next logical step would be implement prohibition. That way no one can have any alcohol and the whole problem goes away. Sorted. No problems at all; flawless. :rolleyes:
same with heroin cannabis etc.
you steal rob kill maim etc to pay for your drugs ...go directly to jail for a long time.
pissed up fighting etc ...a year at least with her majesties men.
Kids dint get drunk just because its cheap. There are many other factors to consider. IMO price is right down the list.
Increasing the price of alcohol is only going to annoy Joe Public who resent having to pay more and more for a few pints or a bottle of wine with their meal.
The binge drinking epidemic in England is definitely a more deeply rooted problem than the availability of cheap alcohol. My 15 y/o cousin has already been admitted to hospital with alcohol poisoning back in Blighty, yet here you can drink in most places at 16 and I have yet to hear of anyone ever being taken to hospital.
you can break laws whilst drunk ...terrorise people damage people and things ...and then use the excuse you were drunk ...
it seems to work.
if i was in charge of this town and you behaved badly ...i'd have you locked up ...simple as that but ...it doesn't happen. people are never made to face consequenses conseq ...you know ....
If New Labour wants a lesson in how NOT to deal with problems regarding alcohol, they could take a look at 1920s prohibition in the USA. By all historical accounts, it was a disaster which didn't work. Tough enforcement of the rules needs to be accompanied by changes in the way people are introduced to alcohol. In most European countries, a small amount of wine can be drunk at mealtimes. You don't see programmes on telly about the French going to Ibiza and getting stupidly pissed, it's only ever the Brits.
Lol, 'punish'??
I am more concerned about the raising prices of fuels, how expensive organic food is, universities lifting the cap from top up fees and the fact I may never be able to afford a mortgage than how much I can get bladdered.
If alcohol gets more expensive, save it for special occasions?
Yours might be. My drinking doesn't contribute to it and neither does the drinking of anyone i know. The problem is, again, that the lives of the vast majority are being affected by troublesome minorities - with the shite, lazy, ignorant blanket legislation brought in to "deal" with it.
The argument that "other bad shit is happening so don't worry about this" is intellectually bankrupt.
You couldn't miss the point more. Also, we pay more than most in Europe for our alcohol, but let's not worry about the facts and details.
You don't agree with all that 'causes of crime' malarkey then? We'll need to build a lot more prisons anyhow.
We wouldn't need to build more prisons if we put only the people who deserve it in them.
Most of the inmates are sad as opposed to bad.
Let the prostitutes and drug users out ...the mentaly ill and the gas meter bandits and there would be plenty of room for the violent and stupid.
Debtors prisons may be no longer but ...there are a huge ammount of people in jail for owing council tax!
The same with people who refuse, or cannot, pay the licence fee. Why should someone face jail just because they can't help Mark Thompson get yet another pay rise?
I think there probably is.
If you claim to have a problem with alcohol the magistrate will usualy take that into account ...offer you help etc ...iunstead of punishing you.
If you say you have a problem they tend to show leniency and understanding for your 'honesty'.
Why would these solicitors keep on mentioning such things unless they believed it helped their client ...is Kermit still working at the legal shop?
that normally celebrity rags i believe, rags quite literally
I'm not against drinking at all (I have a tinny right by me) but I find it worrying, the fact that people get pissed up then laugh about it the next day, how many fights they got in to, who they shagged, how they fell over, or puked. I do think it is a social problem... A lot of people only socialise when they're drinking, they only dance when they're drinking, they only talk to somebody they like when they're drinking. Why does so much revolve around getting so wasted you hardly remember anything?
I'm not saying people shouldn't drink at all, but a lot of British social culture is based around pubs and getting pissed.
Claiming to be 'punished' is intellectually bankrupt.
As I've said (or intended to), it would be an issue if it were food, or fuel that's expensive, things we need to live... But it isn't. People are basically arguing their right to binge drink cheap alcohol.
We pay more on most things than most countries in Europe. We also work the longest hours. The UK is an expensive country. Tbh I don't see alcohol as that important. Do people rely on cheap drinks to have a good time? Seriously... Can they not just have fun when drinking less, being in good company with some decent music?
I can see why people are pissed off, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. To be honest, I think that it'll make the streets a lot safer, there will be less injuries, less fights and hopefully less rape if people drink less. It's just sad that we even have so many alcohol related problems in the first place and that people can't just act like responsible adults.
ETA: My ex-stepfather worked in a hospital and at first was amazed at how many drink related injuries and illnesses there were. it's sad that we don't have a responsible drink culture and that it's 'funny' to be off your face. I wouldn't say to bring in laws to ban drinking, but putting the prices of previously cheap alcohol up could possibly help.
it will have no effect whatsoever onn the attitrude to alcohol.
cos HE ...can't handle his drink I ...have to pay more?
give me a break.
What will happen is taxes will rise on the stuff and the guv can declare they aint raising money ...they is dealing with a social problem.
reminds me of green taxes ...slap an extra tenner on a flight to ...what?
come on ...it doesn't make people fly less ...but it does raise revenue .
the majority of us can get legkless without causing griefg ...so the minority need a good kicking ...bigfines might masle them think.
AGRAND A TIME?
Maybe big fines/police violence would work (of course, any chance for the police to be violent, they'd probably target minority groups :rolleyes: ).
Maybe they wouldn't...
I'm cynical... I don't think that our drinking culture reflects enough responsibility.
If banning cheapo drinks lowers the amount of binge drinking and problems related, personally I wouldn't mind (but then I'm no longer a big drinker, just now and again). I've been in situations where I've been sexually harassed (doing bar work, several times), touched up, threatened with violence and had to clean up puke. Yes, this is a minority of people, but fuck... The fact that it is a minority doesn't mean that things are safe. :no: I am sure many young women have been in my position.
Whether or no it is a minority or majority misbehaving and being a wanker, I would rather be safe by that minority not being able to afford to get quite so shitfaced than have everybody get shitfaced.
I value my own safety more than getting shitfaced.
Maybe you are right M.R., that it may not affect the amount of alcohol consumed and attitudes. I guess time will tell.
But seriously, something has to be done about British binge drinking.
Unfortunately, the solution sounds a bit too much like Hitler. :no: (no, I'm not advocating extermination of jews, but if we wanted a perfect society we'd kick anyone out who fell below the standards we want)
It's part of the reason I want to become relatively wealthy, so I have the freedom to move away from Leicester and to anywhere that I feel has a good culture. Leave the anti-socials to themselves.
No no no, that would enfringe on our civil liberties. Besides the point, you've contradicted yourself. Punishment is not the answer. What we need is a change of living standards, lower rent/mortage and lower working hours plus provision for poor families and those who live in working class areas.
Thanks for missing the point. :thumb: