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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Zero II
    Saddam's human rights abuses have been known about for years. If it wasn't Bush in charge it wouldn't even be discussed.

    And you preferred that approach?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lil_minx
    :lol: jacqueline the ripper insulted rolly a couple of times.

    After he insulted me :)
    But that doesn't count. That's nothing. Cause I have an invalid opinion, and therefore he can act as he wants.

    All while you protest against people regaining a piece of freedom. Good job puppy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm saying we have set a dangerous precedent. I'd rather an Iraq without Saddam as I'm sure we all would, but this wasn't the way to go about it. We can't just impose our will on the rest of the world. If anyone was to step in, it should have been the UN, not a gung-ho American administration using excuses to get their way.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Zero II
    I'm saying we have set a dangerous precedent. I'd rather an Iraq without Saddam as I'm sure we all would, but this wasn't the way to go about it.

    So what was?
    We can't just impose our will on the rest of the world.

    We did :p

    But to cover the point better, why shouldn't we?
    If anyone was to step in, it should have been the UN, not a gung-ho American administration using excuses to get their way.

    The UN should have stepped in? I agree.

    Do they ever? Nope.

    Hell, it even took a bunch of musicians to address the problems in Ethiopia a few years ago...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Zero II
    I'd rather an Iraq without Saddam as I'm sure we all would, but this wasn't the way to go about it.

    I've heard this alot, even before the war started, but noone seems to be able to offer a practical alternative.
    If anyone was to step in, it should have been the UN

    Agreed, but the UN had their chance and they didn't act.

    Do they ever though? And what's to be done when they don't?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent

    Hell, it even took a bunch of musicians to address the problems in Ethiopia a few years ago...

    That foul mouthed cunt Geldof swore live on CD:UK last week :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Bri-namite
    That foul mouthed cunt Geldof swore live on CD:UK last week :mad:

    We should declare war :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
    After he insulted me :)
    But that doesn't count. That's nothing. Cause I have an invalid opinion, and therefore he can act as he wants.

    All while you protest against people regaining a piece of freedom. Good job puppy.

    well in that case i apologise, i never saw Roll make a personal attack first to either you or Kiezo, just saw you both do it first, i must have missed it then,

    But why do you have an invalid opinion, and why call me puppy?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Bri-namite
    That foul mouthed cunt Geldof swore live on CD:UK last week :mad:

    That's always a good thing to hear :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lil_minx
    well in that case i apologise, i never saw Roll make a personal attack first to either you or Kiezo, just saw you both do it first, i must have missed it then,

    But why do you have an invalid opinion, and why call me puppy?
    no ...i never saw it either! she feels her opinions count for nothing when people strongly disagree.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the eagle has landed ...or should that be monkey?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ahhh good old Mr Bush, well I'm protesting... and why?


    1. Despite the whole idea of Sadaam Hussein killing people and dictating the country like a bastard... need we forget the poverty gap between the people suffering and the people in power? The death penalty and torture enforced in other countries? Sure sadaam is/was a cruel bastard, but it's certainly not just Iraq that has issues with human rights. So why attack Iraq and not every other country in a similar boat?
    2. The Uk/US sanctions on Iraq killed thousands upon thousands of people, yet the Americans get all pissy about 3000 dead in the twin tower incident. I'm not condoning the actions of either sides, but I see that as hypocricy. "How dare that man who we trained years ago turn his back on us and attack us".
    3. I disagree with the Whitehouse dealings with Exxon... I consider myself an eco-feminist more than anything. And the business with the Kyoto agreement riles me too. If Bush has an ounce of intellect he'll invest more in protecting the environment 'cause there's already an issue with global warming floating over the world (Despite Exxon's dodgy dealings with the White House to deny its existance).
    4. I don't like the American gun culture or the fact that if you're good at football you can get a scholarship to a top university. Meritocracy my arse.
    5. Why was harry Potter and Darwinism banned in some states? That's retarded...

    And that's why I'm walking the demo... just to point out that there are more reasons to march than the illegal war.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MoonRat
    Ahhh good old Mr Bush, well I'm protesting... and why?



    Sure sadaam is/was a cruel bastard, but it's certainly not just Iraq that has issues with human rights. So why attack Iraq and not every other country in a similar boat?

    Well, they can hardly attack everyone at once, for a start.


    The Uk/US sanctions on Iraq killed thousands upon thousands of people

    Actually it was Saddam's fault that so many died. Numerous third party agencies have confirmed that aid was being delieved to Iraq all the time sanctions were in place, but Saddam and his regieme refused to distribute it amongst the people.

    [*]I don't like the American gun culture or the fact that if you're good at football you can get a scholarship to a top university. Meritocracy my arse.

    Not sure why these are connected, but gun culture is not something that the president holds sway over. There are too many powerful pro-gun lobbies for him to make a change.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, my opinion counts just as much as anyone elses, it's just that people who disagree often like to turn the other cheek and pretend it doesn't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
    After he insulted me :)
    But that doesn't count. That's nothing. Cause I have an invalid opinion, and therefore he can act as he wants.

    seems your getting grief for your approach to other people and your attitude in the politics forum as well. maybe you should take a look at why people are saying these things about you jacq.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mist
    Well, they can hardly attack everyone at once, for a start.

    So you believe they have plans to attack every other country with human rights issues?
    Actually it was Saddam's fault that so many died. Numerous third party agencies have confirmed that aid was being delieved to Iraq all the time sanctions were in place, but Saddam and his regieme refused to distribute it amongst the people.

    Ah yes and as the war was on America helped out of the goodness of their hearts to drop supplies in to Baghdad... Peanut butter :lol:

    Because of sanctions on Iraq no new medical technology could make it across the border and people were too poor to even afford medicine anyway. So you're saying the sanctions were a good thing? If you ask me they should have got rid of Sadaam when they had the chance and even if he was restricting the food distribution (which probably appeared in the Sun, although I wouldn't put it past him) this is a protest against George Bush, not a comparison between them both. As I've said the reason why I'm protesting is because I disagree with what America have done in certain areas, not what Iraq has done.

    If you want info on the weapons of mass destruction click here .
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    did you know that throughout the sanctions hussien had a welfare and food distribution programme ...it was far from perfect but he had one up and running for years that brought much needed relief to thousands.
    did you know that house prices in baghdad were rising with rising employment?
    most people ignore the fact that before GWB arrived in the whitehouse, the international community were working on ending the sanctions and allowing iraq to once again freely export oil ...thereby bringing much needed currency into the country, foriegn contracts were being disscussed again all becuase the europeans, the russians, the chineese had concluded that iraq posed no serious threat to anyone any more and it was the international community that were causing virtualy all the death, poverty and other sufferings of the people?
    ...and yes jacq i am repeating myself because people conveniantly ignore these FACTS.
    most of you aren't old enough to remember donald rumsfeld visiting saddam with big handshakes and smiles and encouraging him to believe that america would not intervene if he attacked kuwait ...which was part of iraq anyway till we gave it away.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Personally I just think it was all for the economic gain of the US
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Simbelyne and MoonRat you've both given me the "why" you protest, but not the "what" aspect.

    Why should he listen to you, what is it that you offer him which will make him stand up and pay attention? At the moment he can just ignore you, your voice is an irrelevance to him.

    Unless you understand what is it that you want to get from protesting, then you are wasting your time.

    So you make a lot of noise, then what? Nothing will change because you don't matter to George W. Bush.

    As for Blair, you can vote him out at the next election, if you want. THAT is how you will get heard.

    However, when you consider that the majority of the Stop The War Coalition are socialists, I doubt that the Tories will get many votes from them. Which leave the LibDems and you aren't going to mobilise enough people in the right places for them to form the next Govt. Which leaves who? Ah, Tony Blair.

    So, why should he listen to you. What can you offer him?


    BTW I don't like Bush or most of what he stands for. But he is the head of state for one of our closet allies. If we cannot offer him the courtesy of a State visit, then who should get one?

    We've had the former Romanian leader here - and he was a butcher. We've had the Chinese Premier here, and I really don't think that his record is anything to be proud of either...

    So why not Bush?
    Originally posted by MoonRat
    So you believe they have plans to attack every other country with human rights issues?

    No, not that they have plans and I think that you knew that wasn;t what was meant.

    As I said earlier, we should be asking them why they won't act against these regimes - in whatever way is necessary - rather than why they ousted a despotic regime.

    Unless you are happy for these violations to continue?
    Ah yes and as the war was on America helped out of the goodness of their hearts to drop supplies in to Baghdad... Peanut butter

    Actually they, and we, did a whole lot more than that. Because our caulaties were so low, our Army Hospital were able to treat many of the people who had suffered under Saddam's regime.

    As for Peanut Butter - do you know how much protein is in that? It's actually a good source...
    The Uk/US sanctions

    Er, the UN sanctions you mean. They came about following Gulf War 1 and Saddam's lack of complaince with UN resolutions.

    And if I'm not mistaken the extension on sanctions is what the Stop the War campaign wanted instead of war?
    if you're good at football you can get a scholarship to a top university. Meritocracy my arse.

    I really didn't want to get drawn by this but...

    So only intellectuals should get a good education?

    Why shouldn't excellence in sport be a reason to give someone a scholarship? Bear in mind the background of many of the people you are talking about and remember that College in the US is not state funded and so poor background children find it harder to get to college. If anything the removal of these scholarships actually could lead to a reduction in the number of people from a poor background getting such an education, further undermining the meritocracy that you want...
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