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  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    eylah wrote: »
    that is so rude of them. from what i saw before i left @DonnerKebab you did nothing wrong. <3 idk who it is but that’s so rude of them.

    @eylah yes, apparently i'm kim jong un, and me saying the first thing i would do as PM would be go nuclear is extremely disappointing, not a joke, and clearly bannable, half an hour after the joke out of nowhere, so pressing of an issue was it, with everybody laughing along with said joke.
  • independent_independent_ Community Connector Posts: 9,779 Supreme Poster
    Yes i get you now @DonnerKebab. These things should be dealt with immediately if they are going to be. That’s how it used to work, and 15 minutes is far beyond a first warning which, if you’ve never been warned for this before, would usually have been the first step.

    I think Nas was as confused as us tbh
    “Sometimes the people around you won’t understand your journey. They don’t need to, it’s not for them.”
  • eylaheylah Posts: 8,240 Legendary Poster
    eylah wrote: »
    that is so rude of them. from what i saw before i left @DonnerKebab you did nothing wrong. <3 idk who it is but that’s so rude of them.

    @eylah yes, apparently i'm kim jong un, and me saying the first thing i would do as PM would be go nuclear is extremely disappointing, not a joke, and clearly bannable, half an hour after the joke out of nowhere, so pressing of an issue was it, with everybody laughing along with said joke.

    wtf? that’s mad.
    ppl dont always need advice. sometimes all they rly need is a hand to hold. an ear to listen. and a heart to understand them. 🧸
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    Yes i get you now @DonnerKebab. These things should be dealt with immediately if they are going to be. That’s how it used to work, and 15 minutes is far beyond a first warning which, if you’ve never been warned for this before, would usually have been the first step.

    I think Nas was as confused as us tbh

    @independent_ she didn't take any offence and didn't think it an issue, so minor was it. It 100% caught her of guard as well when half an hour after a funny comment that we all laughed along about, im got banned out of nowhere. I'll return to chat when i have a full apology from the Mix, and in the event they edit all of this and pretend it never happened, i have it all screenshotted and ready to send off to every single person who recommends the mix, in addition to several witnesses in the chat. I'm a noisy person, because this wasn't a simple community guideline act, this was a personal attack and they know it.
  • eylaheylah Posts: 8,240 Legendary Poster
    watch this thread be closed now lol.
    ppl dont always need advice. sometimes all they rly need is a hand to hold. an ear to listen. and a heart to understand them. 🧸
  • independent_independent_ Community Connector Posts: 9,779 Supreme Poster
    I can absolutely understand the joke could be offensive to some and I guarantee you if I’d found it offensive I’d have said something along the lines of “come on mate, that’s a bit much in these times”. But I didn’t find it offensive because I knew what you were getting at. I’d forgotten about it after about 2 minutes, let alone half an hour.
    “Sometimes the people around you won’t understand your journey. They don’t need to, it’s not for them.”
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    eylah wrote: »
    watch this thread be closed now lol.

    @eylah I have it screenshotted and all evidence compiled, plus witnesses in the chat to back me up. As i say, i will send it to the mental health services who recommend the mix and make as much noise as i can, because they aren't here to help, not when there doing this.
  • shannon_164shannon_164 Community Connector Posts: 2,326 Boards Champion
    im sure the mix will be on tomorrow morning ready to edit all the things posted on here at the minimum lol how dare we say anything that isn’t positive about the mix, but they claim they’re open to constructive criticism too🤦🏽‍♀️
  • RedemptionRedemption Community Connector Posts: 4,557 The Mix Elder
    edited June 25
    I'm gonna request a full transcript, and pursue this, because i did no wrong, this is personal them doing this, and i have several witnesses in the chat to back me on this one. Did they say it was an glitch @Redemption ?

    Unsure sorry mate @DonnerKebab , are you OK anyway mate?
  • eylaheylah Posts: 8,240 Legendary Poster
    they’re are online now lol
    ppl dont always need advice. sometimes all they rly need is a hand to hold. an ear to listen. and a heart to understand them. 🧸
  • shannon_164shannon_164 Community Connector Posts: 2,326 Boards Champion
    definitely @independent_ !! it’s being discussed in a respectful way, so what’s the issue? oh wait, there isn’t one…
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    I will 100% get banned for not sitting down and taking this. I'm not talking about it anymore after tonight and will leave it there, but the mix's conduct has been appalling here, and if they want to take it further and ban me, then they are welcome, but i will also not take it lying down.
  • eylaheylah Posts: 8,240 Legendary Poster
    I will 100% get banned for not sitting down and taking this. I'm not talking about it anymore after tonight and will leave it there, but the mix's conduct has been appalling here, and if they want to take it further and ban me, then they are welcome, but i will also not take it lying down.

    i don’t think it will go down very well here with us community members if they ban you. im not gonna lie <3 i definitely won’t be happy.
    ppl dont always need advice. sometimes all they rly need is a hand to hold. an ear to listen. and a heart to understand them. 🧸
  • independent_independent_ Community Connector Posts: 9,779 Supreme Poster
    Ok rules get broken by all of us sometimes, we couldn’t be somewhere like this without breaking a rule now and again. Many of us have been frozen in chat at least once for something or another because we’re human and we make mistakes and our judgement isn’t perfect. It happens. That, at least, was the attitude of the previous (and many of the current) staff members.

    What is equally important as preventing guideline breaks, is responding to them appropriately when they do happen. That means as quickly as possible and using a respectful tone. Whether we think it was a guideline break or not, the mix obviously did, and that’s for them to determine, but the response to it in this case was neither quick nor respectful imo.
    “Sometimes the people around you won’t understand your journey. They don’t need to, it’s not for them.”
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    im sure the mix will be on tomorrow morning ready to edit all the things posted on here at the minimum lol how dare we say anything that isn’t positive about the mix, but they claim they’re open to constructive criticism too🤦🏽‍♀️

    @shannon_164 that's why everything is screenshotted and if they want to ban me, then they can, but i'd send said screenshots to every single charity and therapist and service that recommends the mix where it cannot be banned by them. I won't be silenced. They wronged me here, i'll rant here and leave it here. They take it further and ban me from the platform, i rant about them off the platform with evidence. Simple. There choice.

    I did no wrong, i will not apologise, and therefore, i will not go to any chats in future, as they do not want me too, or think i am welcome in said chats. The special treatment they gave me as apposed to others says that clearly enough, and that you think you know who it is, just from this says it all. I do not care if they are disappointed, there approval and opinion doesn't matter to me, they have no respect for me, i have none for them. I had thoughts that this platform might be censorship heavy with the whole saga that went on with you, but now i get to see the platforms true face for myself.
  • eylaheylah Posts: 8,240 Legendary Poster
    i don’t even know who replies to dms lol so i have no clue. tbh i don’t even know the community managers either. only know katie leyla and sian tbh.
    ppl dont always need advice. sometimes all they rly need is a hand to hold. an ear to listen. and a heart to understand them. 🧸
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    @Redemption
    Redemption wrote: »
    @Redemption Did i say something in that chat offensive or ban worthy?

    I didn't see anything you said wrong @DonnerKebab

    @Redemption Again, banned for it. I'm not mad, or angry, or upset. I'm just disappointed in the conduct of the Mix. No warning, no anything, they let the supposed "offensive comment" sit for half an hour, the mod even asked a question and partook in the joke and never raised any objections, and they was caught totally of guard when i was banned half an hour later and then reasons were added on several minutes later.

    This isn't a community violation of any kind or it would have been flagged, or the mod raise it as an issue and give a warning when said, not partook in the conversation about it. It's personal and all the evidence shows that. I'm gonna be skipping mens chats as well. Sorry Redemption i know me and you are the only ones mainly on there most of the time and make up like 90% of the chatter, but you'll have to make do without me on it.
  • independent_independent_ Community Connector Posts: 9,779 Supreme Poster
    @eylah tbh it is mostly Katie, Leyla and Sian that reply to PMs during the daytime. In the evening it can be other people because they supervise chats. The main 3 don’t reply in evenings.

    I really hope there is a resolution here. I think we all know @DonnerKebab meant absolutely no harm and look at all the brilliant things you’ve done here. These 2 threads for one, and the support you’ve given each and every one of us. Your friendship and support has meant so much to me, and I’m sure i speak for others when I say the same likely applies to them.

    And for the record, I don’t think anyone is being disrespectful here. Or at least no one is trying to be. These are really valid concerns that absolutely need to be taken seriously
    “Sometimes the people around you won’t understand your journey. They don’t need to, it’s not for them.”
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    eylah wrote: »
    i don’t even know who replies to dms lol so i have no clue. tbh i don’t even know the community managers either. only know katie leyla and sian tbh.

    @eylah i won't say who but it's none of them, they are all lovely. It's a personal attack from another. If it was a community violation, the mod wouldn't have spoke some more about the joke, continuing the chat about it, and would have told me that is out of order, and not to say it again or gave me a warning. The "we don't see every comment and it can take half an hour to see it" excuse doesn't work when your directly spoken to about said comment in and no warnings are issued about it, but rather more conversation continuing it from said mod. They could at least try a convincing excuse.


  • eylaheylah Posts: 8,240 Legendary Poster
    i agree they’re all so lovely. im so sry you have been treated like this @DonnerKebab <3

    oh ok thankyou for explaining @independent_ <3
    ppl dont always need advice. sometimes all they rly need is a hand to hold. an ear to listen. and a heart to understand them. 🧸
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    edited June 25
    And to the Mix. You will stand by your own, even though they are wrong, and i will stand my ground on this one. You conduct has been awful here, your messages demeaning, and belittling intentionally, and your actions say it all, with no warnings or anything, just a ban after half an hour. You had no issue actually picking up on it the minute i made the comment which wasn't offensive, and continuing the chat about it directly after i said it, about why i would use a nuke. You had no issue for half an hour after picking up on it, then ban me and said you hadn't picked up on it and only did half an hour later. The chat proves otherwise. This was a personal attack, not a community guideline rule being enforced, and the "special treatment" says it all. Eyewitnesses in the chat are backing up that i never said anything ban worthy, i have said this before in other chats and never got banned, this is an excuse, nothing more.

    And if you are going to edit and talk to me tomorrow instead of tonight because i'm not worth a talk in the evening after you banned me from chat, then at least have the decency to just delete them rather than edit them to have new meaning.
  • independent_independent_ Community Connector Posts: 9,779 Supreme Poster
    You are correct @DonnerKebab if it was a problem it should have been mentioned at the time. It's somewhat different for the boards because staff aren't always online, but chat is a very different environment where issues are best handled promptly within the chat itself. This was always how it was done, with further discussion and follow up taking place in boards DM. I hope it is acknowledged that it could, and should, have been dealt with better.
    “Sometimes the people around you won’t understand your journey. They don’t need to, it’s not for them.”
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    You are correct @DonnerKebab if it was a problem it should have been mentioned at the time. It's somewhat different for the boards because staff aren't always online, but chat is a very different environment where issues are best handled promptly within the chat itself. This was always how it was done, with further discussion and follow up taking place in boards DM. I hope it is acknowledged that it could, and should, have been dealt with better.

    @independent_ Nope, no wrongdoing on there part acknowledged.

    Besides, the mod running the chat even acknowledged the joke with a question, and nothing was done for half an hour. So the comment was acknowledged by a mod, nothing done because she didn't think it was wrong. Doesn't that seem odd. Then a different mod behind the scenes got me half an hour later. Nobody had an issue with it, then half an hour later, bam. I'm unblocked now, but i respectfully request they reblock it. I won't filthy myself and go where they have made clear i'm not welcome. This wasn't just this was a personal attack, just look at the DM's. They can at least come out and say what they really think.
  • RedemptionRedemption Community Connector Posts: 4,557 The Mix Elder
    @Redemption
    Redemption wrote: »
    @Redemption Did i say something in that chat offensive or ban worthy?

    I didn't see anything you said wrong @DonnerKebab

    @Redemption Again, banned for it. I'm not mad, or angry, or upset. I'm just disappointed in the conduct of the Mix. No warning, no anything, they let the supposed "offensive comment" sit for half an hour, the mod even asked a question and partook in the joke and never raised any objections, and they was caught totally of guard when i was banned half an hour later and then reasons were added on several minutes later.

    This isn't a community violation of any kind or it would have been flagged, or the mod raise it as an issue and give a warning when said, not partook in the conversation about it. It's personal and all the evidence shows that. I'm gonna be skipping mens chats as well. Sorry Redemption i know me and you are the only ones mainly on there most of the time and make up like 90% of the chatter, but you'll have to make do without me on it.

    @DonnerKebab I thought you just got frozen for 15 minutes, are you banned longer term?
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    Redemption wrote: »
    @Redemption
    Redemption wrote: »
    @Redemption Did i say something in that chat offensive or ban worthy?

    I didn't see anything you said wrong @DonnerKebab

    @Redemption Again, banned for it. I'm not mad, or angry, or upset. I'm just disappointed in the conduct of the Mix. No warning, no anything, they let the supposed "offensive comment" sit for half an hour, the mod even asked a question and partook in the joke and never raised any objections, and they was caught totally of guard when i was banned half an hour later and then reasons were added on several minutes later.

    This isn't a community violation of any kind or it would have been flagged, or the mod raise it as an issue and give a warning when said, not partook in the conversation about it. It's personal and all the evidence shows that. I'm gonna be skipping mens chats as well. Sorry Redemption i know me and you are the only ones mainly on there most of the time and make up like 90% of the chatter, but you'll have to make do without me on it.

    @DonnerKebab I thought you just got frozen for 15 minutes, are you banned longer term?

    @Redemption Got logged off and banned for 15 minutes, not frozen from it. I think i posted the message i got earlier.
  • independent_independent_ Community Connector Posts: 9,779 Supreme Poster
    That’s what I mean. It needs to be acknowledged that it wasn’t dealt with properly by whoever was behind the scenes, because I have never seen this happen before and I have been here a long time. This isn’t the way problems in chat are usually dealt with, and the tone of the DM is another issue.
    “Sometimes the people around you won’t understand your journey. They don’t need to, it’s not for them.”
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    edited June 25
    That’s what I mean. It needs to be acknowledged that it wasn’t dealt with properly by whoever was behind the scenes, because I have never seen this happen before and I have been here a long time. This isn’t the way problems in chat are usually dealt with, and the tone of the DM is another issue.

    @independent_ do you think it's a personal attack? The way it was done compared to others, the tone, the fact the active mod didn't take issue with it and even engaged with it, the fact it was left for half an hour, and then banned by one behind the scenes.
  • independent_independent_ Community Connector Posts: 9,779 Supreme Poster
    It certainly looks like one. Partly because of the circumstances which have never happened to anyone I’ve known here before, so why has it happened to you if it wasn’t. But also partly because of the DM itself, the messages come across very badly.
    “Sometimes the people around you won’t understand your journey. They don’t need to, it’s not for them.”
  • DonnerKebabDonnerKebab Posts: 1,385 Wise Owl
    edited June 25
    It certainly looks like one. Partly because of the circumstances which have never happened to anyone I’ve known here before, so why has it happened to you if it wasn’t. But also partly because of the DM itself, the messages come across very badly.
    @independent_

    @shannon_164 reckons she knows who it is even though i haven't put who, just going by the message tone, so this isn't a one hit wonder from this person it seems. I was open in another chat about politics and my opinion on adolescence targeting the wrong issue, and the chat went quite for me after that, and that sort of rang an alarm bell. I didn't say anything and never had that issue again, but I wonder if this has been brewing for a while thus my feeling this is a personal attack. The reference to politics given politics wasn't even part of the joke and my political takes was not part of the issue is ringing this alarm bell again. So the reference to my politics seems thinly veiled criticism.
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