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Is suicide a chioce? Sensitive topic

ShaunieShaunie Iโ€™m alive but Iโ€™m deadEngland ๐Ÿ Posts: 11,252 An Original Mixlorian
Hi.
I think this is a sensitive topic but one that needs to be adressed and discused for more awarness but not to much for peoole to think it is a way out, just understanding, instead of silence.
In my opinion suicide isnt a chioce. I think suicide isnt what someone is choosing to do but what could a mental illness causing them to do. But in some cases it may not be cause by a mental illness and then that may be chioce.
But if someone has a mental and they are in that much pain their mental illness makes them see this is their only way out, not them. Even though its not but they cant see it at the time.
Ive read that people shouldnt say "commit suicide". And i compley agree with this. Because commit suggest something bad like commit a crime. And that we should be saying "death by suicide" or "death by depression" it causes more stigma of mental illness.
If i lost someone to suicide i would want to think this. Ive spend a whole session discussing this with a mental health practitioner and i think i conviced them but then when i asked a different mental health proffesional they didnt hesitate and said its not a chioce like mental illness isn't.
What are peoples views?
๐˜๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐š๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฅ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐จ๐งโ€™๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐’๐จ ๐›๐ž ๐ฎ๐ง๐š๐ฉ๐จ๐ฅ๐จ๐ ๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฅ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ค ๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐. ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•

Comments

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I personally don't see the issue with saying 'commit suicide' simply because the word commit isn't necessarily a bad thing? like yeah it's used to say someone committed a crime, but it's also used to say someone is committed to something or someone.

    I think suicide is a choice, it's easier for people to accept it that way.
  • LostsenseLostsense Posts: 1,331 The Mix Regular
    Suicide is not a choice it's when the pain has reached no resources the patient is blinded and feels there is no way out but to die.
  • Jacob101Jacob101 Rampant Poster Posts: 684 Incredible Poster
    I don't see suicide as a choice. When someone is that low there judgement is blinded like @Steph95 says. - They have to do it for the sake of themselves and sometimes for friends and family around then; most feel like a complete burden.
    'Don't worry about failures, worry about the chances you miss when you don't even try.'
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not arguing that they don't feel like a burden, but I still feel like it's a choice. My best friend chose to end her life, my brother chose to try and end his life.. in my opinion at the end of the day it's still a choice
  • Jacob101Jacob101 Rampant Poster Posts: 684 Incredible Poster
    Some people see it as the only option.
    'Don't worry about failures, worry about the chances you miss when you don't even try.'
  • ShaunieShaunie Iโ€™m alive but Iโ€™m dead England ๐Ÿ Posts: 11,252 An Original Mixlorian
    Some people dont die by a mental illness but just because things get to over whelming and that might be a chioce like to many bills to pay. But people who have mental illnesses get their thought taken over by it and they get told that they need to and feel like its the besr option. But when they are better rhey would see its not a chioce. But at the moment they was controled by an illness. That i think/know anyway
    ๐˜๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐š๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฅ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐จ๐งโ€™๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐’๐จ ๐›๐ž ๐ฎ๐ง๐š๐ฉ๐จ๐ฅ๐จ๐ ๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฅ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ค ๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐. ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•
  • One-in-a-millionOne-in-a-million Noob Posts: 486 Listening Ear
    Something I've never mentioned on the boards and actually never really told anyone.
    When I was 16 I thought about suicide quite a bit. This was due to all the bullying going on at school and the fact no one seemed to think I would go far in life as I couldn't learn as quickly as the others. I thought about it but thankfully the urge was never bad enough to act upon it.

    If it was a choice people wouldn't do it. My thoughts weren't strong but I know I wouldn't choose to feel that way no one would
  • AuroraAurora Part of the furniture Posts: 11,720 An Original Mixlorian
    I think it's a choice, solely down to the fact that you 'choose to kill yourself' even if you think it's your last resort etc, and aren't thinking rationally, in that irrational moment, you're still choosing to make those choices. If you get me? - Okay, look at it like this, people die everyday, people who die by suicide don't just die, they do something that they choose to, to inflicts the pain on themselves to get the outcome.

    Some people think it's the only CHOICE, and it's not, like, it's the Life vs death scenario, you choose to live or die. Still a choice. And it's not about feelings when it comes to whether or not its a choice, it is solely choice, if you get me?
  • ShaunieShaunie Iโ€™m alive but Iโ€™m dead England ๐Ÿ Posts: 11,252 An Original Mixlorian
    I think it's a choice, solely down to the fact that you 'choose to kill yourself' even if you think it's your last resort etc, and aren't thinking rationally, in that irrational moment, you're still choosing to make those choices. If you get me? - Okay, look at it like this, people die everyday, people who die by suicide don't just die, they do something that they choose to, to inflicts the pain on themselves to get the outcome.

    Some people think it's the only CHOICE, and it's not, like, it's the Life vs death scenario, you choose to live or die. Still a choice. And it's not about feelings when it comes to whether or not its a choice, it is solely choice, if you get me?

    I get where you are coming from but people who have survived suicide didnt think they had a chioce they think that was the only way out of so much pain because their illness told them that, and couod of told them to do that. They didnt choose to have the illness in the first place.
    Their illness chooses it for them not them. People physically cant think racionally and logically when they are in those crisises. Hope that makes sense .
    ๐˜๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐š๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฅ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐จ๐งโ€™๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐’๐จ ๐›๐ž ๐ฎ๐ง๐š๐ฉ๐จ๐ฅ๐จ๐ ๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฅ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ค ๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐. ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it's a choice, solely down to the fact that you 'choose to kill yourself' even if you think it's your last resort etc, and aren't thinking rationally, in that irrational moment, you're still choosing to make those choices. If you get me? - Okay, look at it like this, people die everyday, people who die by suicide don't just die, they do something that they choose to, to inflicts the pain on themselves to get the outcome.

    Some people think it's the only CHOICE, and it's not, like, it's the Life vs death scenario, you choose to live or die. Still a choice. And it's not about feelings when it comes to whether or not its a choice, it is solely choice, if you get me?

    Exactly this! Like there have been times where I've wanted to kill myself, but I chose not to exact on it. There have been times where I've wanted to kill myself and acted on it, but that was still my choice to do so.
  • AuroraAurora Part of the furniture Posts: 11,720 An Original Mixlorian

    I get where you are coming from but people who have survived suicide didnt think they had a chioce they think that was the only way out of so much pain because their illness told them that, and couod of told them to do that. They didnt choose to have the illness in the first place.
    Their illness chooses it for them not them. People physically cant think racionally and logically when they are in those crisises. Hope that makes sense .


    I get where you're coming from, being someone who also battles a mental illness that fucks with my head more than I would like it too, and I know what it's like to 'attempt' and the feelings around it and so forth. I still however think, despite the fact we don't have a choice int he mental illness we are fighting, we do have a choice in the actions we take.

    As the example I shared earlier, with suicide, you choose to end your life, you make that decision, whether in a rational or irrational state of mind, it doesn't just 'happen.' For us not to have a choice, it would have to be inevitable. I personally think suicide is something that can be inevitable, there is support people to help them with these feelings, but it's just about accessing support sooner.

  • ShaunieShaunie Iโ€™m alive but Iโ€™m dead England ๐Ÿ Posts: 11,252 An Original Mixlorian
    So what if someone had vioces telling them thats what they needed to do, to make everyone happy. Or on drugs. And they genuinely belived that so thats what they did.
    I have depression and have attempted suicide and have sereve mental illness. In the moment i didnt have a chioce because depression took over my thinking. And Thats exactly what it does. You don't have control or choose when those moments happen. I dont get voices but you can completely get taken over by a mental illness.
    Depression can make you tell things that arent true to yourself. Making suicide their only answer. And thats when depression gets very sereve that they are losing to their illness. Like when a physcial illness gets sereve and can die.
    But i can see where you are coming from and maybe right but yeah -Suicide can be prevented -when its just thoughts but when their acting on it, thats when their losing to their illness. The chemicals in their brains are doing that for them
    ๐˜๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐š๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฅ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐จ๐งโ€™๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐’๐จ ๐›๐ž ๐ฎ๐ง๐š๐ฉ๐จ๐ฅ๐จ๐ ๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฅ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ค ๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐. ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•
  • Jacob101Jacob101 Rampant Poster Posts: 684 Incredible Poster
    So what if someone had vioces telling them thats what they needed to do, to make everyone happy. Or on drugs. And they genuinely belived that so thats what they did.
    I have depression and have attempted suicide and have sereve mental illness. In the moment i didnt have a chioce because depression took over my thinking. And Thats exactly what it does. You don't have control or choose when those moments happen. I dont get voices but you can completely get taken over by a mental illness.
    Depression can make you tell things that arent true to yourself. Making suicide their only answer. And thats when depression gets very sereve that they are losing to their illness. Like when a physcial illness gets sereve and can die.
    But i can see where you are coming from and maybe right but yeah -Suicide can be prevented -when its just thoughts but when their acting on it, thats when their losing to their illness. The chemicals in their brains are doing that for them


    I have thought about taking my life many times. I believe that people will only understand if they have been it themselves.
    'Don't worry about failures, worry about the chances you miss when you don't even try.'
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru


    I have thought about taking my life many times. I believe that people will only understand if they have been it themselves.

    And sometimes even people who have been through it themselves see it as a choice like WOTH and myself for example. Each individual has different experiences and different opinions
  • ShaunieShaunie Iโ€™m alive but Iโ€™m dead England ๐Ÿ Posts: 11,252 An Original Mixlorian
    Hiccup wrote: ยป

    And sometimes even people who have been through it themselves see it as a choice like WOTH and myself for example. Each individual has different experiences and different opinions


    I get that people have different experience and opions. But i dont get why some would actively end their life and think that they are going to die. If they saw a chioce and option of getting better and things being better because yoy cant see it?
    ๐˜๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐š๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฅ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐จ๐งโ€™๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐’๐จ ๐›๐ž ๐ฎ๐ง๐š๐ฉ๐จ๐ฅ๐จ๐ ๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฅ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ค ๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐. ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•
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