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Gay Marriage
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Lots of chat, that I've seen, on twitter and in some news about whether its right or not, whether it should be allowed not not.
Does anyone have any thoughts?
Does anyone have any thoughts?
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Any kind of formal union in a registry office should be marriage, whatever flavour of two consenting adults it happens to be between.
I also think that religious institutions should continue to be free to place restrictions on who they will marry - but that choice should be left up to them, not dictated to them by the state.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/jul/24/gay-marriage-new-york-photos#/?picture=377214481&index=2
yes it should be allowed everywhere
The state should immediately stop performing marriages, instead only performing civil partnerships. The sex discrimination that currently exists in the UK civil partnership legislation should be removed immediately.
Religious organisation performing marriages must register a civil partnership, provided the marriage is compatible with the current civil partnership legislation. They must also retrospectively register a civil partnership when circumstances changed to allow a previously incompatible grouping
e.g. 1: Your church marries you at 12, when you're 16 the church registers your civil partnership.
e.g. 2: You marry three wives, the first wife is registered as a civil partnership. if the first wife dies or is divorced the second wife is registered in the CP
e.g. 3: You marry three wives, the first wife is registered as a civil partnership when civil partnership legislation allows a CP to involve a third person the second wife is registered as part of the partnership
Why not?
But my girlfriend wants to get married, in a church, why should I have to do two things?
you don't have to do two things - if your church marries you it also registers your civil partnership - in exactly the same way as it currently registers a marriage. If it doesn't then you are an abomination in the eyes of its belief system and so you can still hav the option of registering an ungodly civil partnership at a registry office.
I'm in two minds about what to do with church-based marriage. Part of me thinks 'it's their fruity club, let them do whatever they want' as it'll only hasten their slide into irrelevance.
most other european countries dont allow the church to marry
I also would genuinely like to know why gay people would even want their relationship to get the blessing (pardon the pun!) of an organisation which has little but contempt for them.
Civil partnership is for same-sex couples. Hetero couples can have either a religious or civil ceremony, but they are all marriages.
Infidelity is not grounds for ending a civil partnership.
there is some legislation that has not been updated to say "marriage or civil partnership"
Not just religion, because there is such a thing as a civil marriage (like kaff had). As Carriage Return says, sex isn't part of a civil partnership, so infidelity isn't a legal reason for dissolution. Also, there are rules about how partners of peers are addressed, which are different if they're straight.
Transgender people also have a rough time. If they transition whilst married, they are legally required to divorce and have a civil partnership, or vice versa.
Not quite true, they're only legally required to divorce or dissolve the civil partnership.
Bit nit picky. Presuming that the transgender person and their partner wish to remain legally bound they have to divorce/disolve and remarry/civil partner. But effectively because Civil Partnership and Marriage are separate institutions, straight couples can stay married if one of them transitions, and gay couples can't stay civil partnered.
Sorry, yes, what I meant to say was "If they transition whilst married and want to stay married, they are legally required to divorce and have a civil partnership, or vice versa."
Apologies.
It's not, it's a state thing, and it should be down to the state to decide what type of relationships they officially recognise, and preferably to do so without discriminating against some of its citizens. Religions are free to have whatever little ceremonies they want and call them whatever they want, but the question of gay marriage is nothing to do with them and everything to do with what types of relationships the government legally recognises.