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Second debate
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Is anyone watching it?
What do you think?
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It's on BBC News as well (available on freeview if you have that)
Brown,
Cameron...
Think Dave has fucked it up again
* Clegg being sanctimonious about expenses and mentions the other two parties had been house flipping and hinting Lib Dems were purer and Cameron slaps him down nicely by saying none of the parties came out well.
He also got a nice jab at Brown over free prescriptions (ie the Tories going to keep them) and Brown's reduced to flailing around helplessly with the best he can manage is why didn't they put that in the Manifesto.
You'd expect the Lib Dems to pick up some people as they have three positions where there policies are different from Labour and Tories on Tident, strong support for Europe and Iraq. The Tory position on Trident is exactly the same as Labour, they have a similar (but not exactly the same) position on Iraq and indeed mainly voted with the Government and on Europe, whilst they're more eurosceptic than Labour its not so massive a gap as Lib Dems are from Labour.
Overall I would guess most voters take the Lib Dem position on Iraq (very strong), I would guess 50:50 on Trident (and I hasten to say I haven't see any polling on this for quite a while so could be wrong) and off the 50% supporting Trident as many would plump for Labour as the Tories.
On Europe I'd say about 70% of people could be classified as eurosceptic, but around half of them are probably not as eurosceptic as the Tories so in parties representing people's position on Europe I'd guess around 35% Tory, 35% Labour and 30% Lib Dem.
It should also be mentioned, foreign policy seldom wins elections...
Clegg (just ahead of Cameron)
Cameron
Brown (just behind Cameron)
I thought Cameron and Brown both performed better this time but I just somehow get the feeling that Brown was just a little bit on the sideline.
Four million people watched the second one last night.
The great British public have gone back to their game shows and soaps.
Just in case you were wondering what colour ties they were wearing
Cameron's looks more purple than blue.
Or, it was a reflection of the fact this one was on Sky
It was purple
It was also foreign policy (at least for the first half) which is never a great crowd-puller. I expect the next one, on the economy, will draw in greater viewing figures.
Also the first one was a novelty...
It was foreign policy? Could have fooled me judging by the questions
EU
Afghanistan
Climate Change
Pope's Visit
Faith in politics
Pensions
Hung Parliament
Immigration
It was sold as the foreign policy debate - which was what the first half exlusively was
By the way, you can stream free-to-air channels on tvcatchup.com.
The danger, of course, is that people may vote for personality rather than the content of their manifestos. There are a number of proposals in the Lib Dem that I can't quite bring myself to easily accept, like giving prisoners the vote. I know it's an EU directive but it seems crazy to me. It may not stop me from voting Lib Dem but seeing as giving prisoners the vote would not be very high on peoples' lists of importance, why not introduce it later AFTER having a referendum on it? The Lib Dems are all for referendums so why not this?
EU Directives mean squat without domestic legislation to enact them. I think if people have forfeited their right to freedom by committing and being convicted of a crime, I feel that they should also lost their democratic voice. Prison is meant to be punishment.
I guess they're not for a referendum on this while being for referenda on other topics for the same reason that Blair never held referenda on half of the things that he did - he would lose. Same for old two-faced Cleggy.
It's still a money thing really. If you can't afford Sky, Freeview or Virgin, it's also likely that your computer and connection can't cope with streaming off a site like this.
For ANY crime? What if it's a ridiculous law? Murder, I think yes you should lose your vote, something like possession of drugs? No.