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I'm glad you're "willign" to be "prooven" otherwise, but there are enough links on this thread to argue any side of this discussion.
I understand that a person's personal testimonies may not be enough for you, but having spent nine years on various forms of these medications, I'm quite comfortable in my own beliefs. I'm not asking you to be as well.
No there arn't. Where the links to the evidence that these drugs are
one) effective
two) used responsibly
You havn't supplied any evidence just merely stated that "It worked for you"
That you have such a belief in them is just evidence that the placebo effect could well be active with you.
But you are.
When you regurgitate the myth that depression is a chemical inbalance in your brain, when you state theory as fact, you mislead others.
That a chemical inbalance is the cause of depression is still just a theory.
That these drugs work to correct this theory hasn't been prooved.
They're some of the most prescribed drugs in the western world.
It's easier to get these drugs than it is to come off them.
There are poeple getting extremely rich producing these drugs.
These drugs have can have serious and very dangerous side effects
Care to deny any of the above?
I, nor apparently anyone else, can give any scientific reasons or prove any theories regarding any of this. The only evidence I can offer is through my own experience, and you've already stated that isn't enough for you.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, and keep to our own opinions since I gather we both feel strongly here in opposite directions.
These two parts, though, I shall agree with.
Whatr about the rest. Care to adress them?
Well yes.
But then if you state something as fact you should to be able to draw on evidence to back it up.
Doesn't that worry you?
I wasn't arguing for the general of placebo. I don't really understand what you mean. What woudl they put in it?
Trials use placebos to guage how effective drugs are. If a drug is found to be as effective as a placebo, it can be argued that the drug is completely innefective.
SSRI's have been found in trials set by the producer themselves, to be at best only 20% more effective, often no more effective and sometimes worse at treating depression
I'm not sure you understand why placebos are used to as a measure against a drugs effectiveness. I'm not sure I can explain any more.
Skive ...let me give you one of these ...it's looking like you need one ...:banghead:
The person taking it does not know it is fake ...The person taking it does not know it is fake The person taking it does not know it is fake The person taking it does not know it is fake
im sorry if im pissing people off here...
Exactly! I think this is what happens when no one can really prove anything about a subject. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good, healthy debate - Skive really got my back up with this one, but I thank him for it, it keeps stuff interesting - but I can see this one going on for 10 pages.
i know, but im probibly wandering from the point a little too much...
if the effect is all in the head, and can only be gained by the pills, then you would still need to give them a pill. no? so they would still need to take the ssri?
That an SSRI can benifit somebody through a placebo effect is does not warrant it being given on prescription, especially given the nasty side effects they can have.
I'm havn't been trying to proove anything. If you're going to advocate the benifits of these drugs, and state depression as a chemical inbalance then I think it's quite reasonable for somebosy else to question what eveidence you have to proove it.
It's not up to me to proove they don't work. It's up to you to proove they do in the first place. As I've said my mind is open, I'll beleive something when I see good evidence for it and as of yet I havn't.
You however seem to have made you mind up on something you can provide evidence for.
Wouldn't it be boring if everybody agreed?
Damn right, sir, damn right.
And with regards to your other comment, I know I cannot scientifically prove anything, I'm just stating that they work for me and that's enough as far as I'm concerned. As for "stating" that depression was a chemical imbalance, maybe I was a bit too hasty; was just going with what the doctors told me many moons ago.
Mind you, I was probably in a depressive funk at the time. They could have told me they were giving me weight-loss pills or something and I'd have been naively waiting for the day I turned anorexic.