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I was wondering if it wasonly me completely confused by this thread, seems not.
That makes no sense though. If a grammar school has 100 places, then surely the top scoring 100 kids taking the 11 plus would get the places. No pass or fail. They're not going to leave places empty just because someone didn't "pass".
That's not quite what happened at mine - when we were streamed for GCSE I was in top set for everything, and while I can't speak for the other classes, ours were always quite good. Nobody tried to jump on the tables or anything! Before that though, there was a lot of disruption (and it was ALWAYS from the boys! No joke. Oh and Leanne but she was mannish anyway) and if you actually tried to do the work yeah you got teased and whatnot. Some of the work we were set though before GCSE was a joke!
theres no link between intelligence and wealth though, was in something a few weeks back, having the right sort of personality helps more
and i was quoting
"While there are still private schools in existence, there will never be an entirely comprehensive schooling system, as those more able to afford private schools (the more intelligent, higher paid part of the population) are likely to take their (more intelligent genetically) offspring out of the state system."
Well, i was making the broad assumption that people who are better paid tend to be more intelligent.
And actually, i'm not talking about middle-manager type jobs. I'm talking about the sort of job which allows you to spend 12k+ a year on school fees (per child). Which people with below average IQs are unlikely to have.
In subjects such as science, mathematics, french where we were setted I achieved GCSEs of A*, A and A . Subjects where we weren't setted like English (someones idea that it was wrong to divide kids according to ability) then I didn't get as good grades.
Might've been down to me, can't blame everyone else all the time. But in English we did have one boy who climbed on top of the roof in the middle of a lesson. Me and my three friends sat in the corner. Both of the girls received lewd comments and various innappropriate contact from like you said, the 'lads'. (Bum grabbing and I think even an attempt at a breast) Me and the other boy, of course, just got ridiculed for the way we looked / spoke / whatever. Because of my voice / accent I was 'gay' and my friend who was dyslexic was just picked on even worse than me. They'd chase him and grab him and throw him in a cupboard.
In retrospect, if it happened now I would have stood up to them. But the teacher was there, the teacher saw it happening, but just told them to be quiet and get on with their work.
Often we'd sit nearest the teacher in the hope that we would receive more protection. It's all part of the parcel when I get arsey about bullying and my perception teachers don't really give a stuff. Cos in my experience they didn't stop it. That was in more than one subject. The only ones that I was alright in were the ones where I was setted or the ones I picked myself.
Why not end all state education? Why should forced tax money be used to pay for others' education?
But how many parents could afford to pay for education for their children? I doubt very many could.
Been there, done that as well.
And I used to get hit & punched by people as well whilst in lessons.
I had this as well. And at one point I got teased because I was one of a few people who wanted to actually learn.
Because it benefits us all?
Why not get rid of the NHS, Fire Service, Police Force, Army, Welfare state...? In fact why not get rid of taxation completely and make sure that everyone looks after themselves first?
Do you understand the concept of society and the benefits it brings?
The freer the market= the more fucked up the people. Unless you are part of the rich elitist minority who can afford private services.
There is a new Michael Moore film coming out soon that exposes the evils of private health insurance in the USA and hardships such philosophy brings to millions upon millions of people. I suggest you pre-order tickets and go watch it at the earliest opportunity.
because hardly anyone would get educated otherwise? Not many people i know can afford 2k+ per term for school fees.
:yes: Especially if it was for more than one child.
It's medicare and medicaid which bring "hardships" amongst millions of people. Abolish the FDA and let the US have a total free market in healthcare.
That *Cubans* have better access to healthcare than tens of millions of Americans tells you all you need to know about your precious free market healthcare
What does this have to do with grammar schools, seeker?
As I said earlier, the freer the market= the more fucked up the people.
Get it in your head my friend
And in return, crap education?
No, the freer the market the freer the people.
May not be as true as claimed
http://www.babalublog.com/archives/001470.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/opensecrets/2006/11/the_british_view_of_fidel_cast.html
(bear in mind this was not intended for public consumption, but was only realesed under an FoI request)
That said I'm unconvinced that a free market health system works. I'm also unconvinced that in many other issues that state control is the best answer
In the real world however the opposite is true.
And the biggest truth of all is that the freer the market, the poorest and most disadvantaged the people- with the exception of the small elite.
Which leads me to ask you the following: are you rich, or are you a turkey voting for christmas?